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		<title>By: Bong</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2008/09/17/sarah-palins-personal-yahoo-e-mail-hacked/comment-page-1/#comment-31224</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sarah Palin is a woman with a very strong character and personality that is why i like her.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah Palin is a woman with a very strong character and personality that is why i like her.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeanna</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sarah Palin is a good leader. i can say that because she did some projects in alaska that helped lots of people .
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah Palin is a good leader. i can say that because she did some projects in alaska that helped lots of people .</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well dave, technically she is a victim - of a felony no less.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well dave, technically she is a victim &#8211; of a felony no less.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave S.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mari, thanks for your response. I have considered what your contentions and I think you have some good points

True, when it comes to publicly elected officials, the adage of &quot;If there&#039;s nothing to hide, why so secretive?&quot; certainly holds, but only because they&#039;re lives are fully dedicated to the pursuit of public interest. Now, certainly I think there is some room in a person&#039;s political life that should be private and no up for public scrutiny, but as more time passes I see those areas getting smaller and smaller with politicians doing dirty dealings in almost every aspect of life. 

Trust me, when I say, that I think a firm knowledge of technical policy is key to a good leader. That said, I also know that the temptations as a computer geek is to expect everyone else to have the same level of knowledge as you do. In truth, it is unrealistic to expect politicians to understand deep packet filtering or bots. Perhaps, this is not true for you or others. It is not completely unreasonable to *want* someone to know about those things, but even CEOs of corporations don&#039;t know the vast intricacies of their own company&#039;s IT infrastructure, and for good reason. They don&#039;t have the time to study those things, that&#039;s why they hire good help. Similarly, if Palin had an excellent advisor or member of her cabinet who understood these issues well, I would feel more comfortable. That&#039;s why Barack generally gets a better rap among the internet-savy on his technology policies, not because *he* understands it all that well, but because his policy advisers do. Now, you should take this with a grain of salt, because it is largely just pandering to his already overwhelming internet audience, which I guarantee McCain would do if his campaign thought it was important. That is, however, my opinion. 

So, for Sarah Palin, I don&#039;t expect her to understand technology even a little, because most people don&#039;t quite honestly. They just use it. No one questions a candidate&#039;s knowledge of this country&#039;s plumbing  or power grid infrastructure, even though those are considerably more important than the internet and tech to the average person. (I realize that this may be a contentious point, so I don&#039;t expect full agreement here.)

My REAL problem here is that these hackers have completely trounced the legitimacy of the possibility of investigating those emails for real shady dealings. You can&#039;t use them know. There is a huge stigma when it comes to crackers (hackers = people who tinker, crackers = hackers for evil) and it is generally thought by the public that anything they produce is unusable, unethical, and immoral. So even if those emails reveal Sarah Palin to be selling government secrets or what have you, it won&#039;t matter because they were retrieved in an unacceptable manner. People can just accuse the hackers of tampering with the email and not having the trust the information. So, you may say, what should have been done in the case where people suspected her of using her private email for public business? Simple. A court subpoena of every email she sent in that account over the last few years. And if she didn&#039;t turn it up, they would just go to Yahoo!. That way, the public could trust the information. All it would take would be the DA of Alaska to suspect her of violating state transparency laws. 

Why do I say this? Just look at how the media is covering this story. Sarah Palin has become the VICTIM, she&#039;s just getting more and more positive attention. She is the &quot;everywomen&quot; even *more* know. No one cares what&#039;s in the emails, not even the visilibly Democratic members of the media. Whatever intention the crackers had, it has been lost. She could have been having sex with teenagers and no one would care! That is the real tragedy, we have lost an opportunity to know a candidate&#039;s unethical dealings.

And my final point (I apologize for the length) is that it is INSANE that the Republican base is weeping and moaning over lost privacy. This is extremely inappropriate and downright deceitful after the push for FISA legislation. Glenn Greenwald is much better at writing than I am, so I&#039;ll let him do the talking: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/18/privacy/index.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mari, thanks for your response. I have considered what your contentions and I think you have some good points</p>
<p>True, when it comes to publicly elected officials, the adage of &#8220;If there&#8217;s nothing to hide, why so secretive?&#8221; certainly holds, but only because they&#8217;re lives are fully dedicated to the pursuit of public interest. Now, certainly I think there is some room in a person&#8217;s political life that should be private and no up for public scrutiny, but as more time passes I see those areas getting smaller and smaller with politicians doing dirty dealings in almost every aspect of life. </p>
<p>Trust me, when I say, that I think a firm knowledge of technical policy is key to a good leader. That said, I also know that the temptations as a computer geek is to expect everyone else to have the same level of knowledge as you do. In truth, it is unrealistic to expect politicians to understand deep packet filtering or bots. Perhaps, this is not true for you or others. It is not completely unreasonable to *want* someone to know about those things, but even CEOs of corporations don&#8217;t know the vast intricacies of their own company&#8217;s IT infrastructure, and for good reason. They don&#8217;t have the time to study those things, that&#8217;s why they hire good help. Similarly, if Palin had an excellent advisor or member of her cabinet who understood these issues well, I would feel more comfortable. That&#8217;s why Barack generally gets a better rap among the internet-savy on his technology policies, not because *he* understands it all that well, but because his policy advisers do. Now, you should take this with a grain of salt, because it is largely just pandering to his already overwhelming internet audience, which I guarantee McCain would do if his campaign thought it was important. That is, however, my opinion. </p>
<p>So, for Sarah Palin, I don&#8217;t expect her to understand technology even a little, because most people don&#8217;t quite honestly. They just use it. No one questions a candidate&#8217;s knowledge of this country&#8217;s plumbing  or power grid infrastructure, even though those are considerably more important than the internet and tech to the average person. (I realize that this may be a contentious point, so I don&#8217;t expect full agreement here.)</p>
<p>My REAL problem here is that these hackers have completely trounced the legitimacy of the possibility of investigating those emails for real shady dealings. You can&#8217;t use them know. There is a huge stigma when it comes to crackers (hackers = people who tinker, crackers = hackers for evil) and it is generally thought by the public that anything they produce is unusable, unethical, and immoral. So even if those emails reveal Sarah Palin to be selling government secrets or what have you, it won&#8217;t matter because they were retrieved in an unacceptable manner. People can just accuse the hackers of tampering with the email and not having the trust the information. So, you may say, what should have been done in the case where people suspected her of using her private email for public business? Simple. A court subpoena of every email she sent in that account over the last few years. And if she didn&#8217;t turn it up, they would just go to Yahoo!. That way, the public could trust the information. All it would take would be the DA of Alaska to suspect her of violating state transparency laws. </p>
<p>Why do I say this? Just look at how the media is covering this story. Sarah Palin has become the VICTIM, she&#8217;s just getting more and more positive attention. She is the &#8220;everywomen&#8221; even *more* know. No one cares what&#8217;s in the emails, not even the visilibly Democratic members of the media. Whatever intention the crackers had, it has been lost. She could have been having sex with teenagers and no one would care! That is the real tragedy, we have lost an opportunity to know a candidate&#8217;s unethical dealings.</p>
<p>And my final point (I apologize for the length) is that it is INSANE that the Republican base is weeping and moaning over lost privacy. This is extremely inappropriate and downright deceitful after the push for FISA legislation. Glenn Greenwald is much better at writing than I am, so I&#8217;ll let him do the talking: <a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/18/privacy/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/18/privacy/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: jvon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ed your my hero :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ed your my hero :)</p>
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		<title>By: Mari Kon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mari Kon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do not agree entirely with you, Dave.  The official channels had denied to shows the booty due to executive privilege (haha executive privilege my BEEP!).

A lapse in judgement.
Who knwos if she is technically savvy.
Maybe she did it unknowingly.

We are talking about a governor here, Dave, not some milf or soccer mom in your part of town. 

I don&#039;t even know why I am writing this, this is the first time I write such thing.

You sound like a nice person, probably you have integrity, you respect others, you listen, you say what is on your mind without attacking (sorry for my style).. 


You have a point, Mr. S.
&quot;If we see our government leaders breaching policy, then we should call them out, not assume a vast conspiracy and then hack into their email accounts.&quot;

.. but you see, everything could be about a relationship between one another, a husband and wife, a governor and the people, a dog and its master. If there is nothing to hide, why the secrecy? -- we the people created the government to serve us; we want the records, they are denied, you go get them yourself, you are not in power to deny our rights. I know my idea has flaws, and it is not perfect but it is not absolute, just a little analogy. 

Perhaps I am biased, I admit to that. I have known a fair share of people whom I trusted or wanted to trust and failed to retain my trust or desire to trust them because of secrecy. The secrecy was just a veil covering the ugly truths, which where ugly just because they were covered. Nothing is as beautiful as the radiant truth no matter what that is.

THEN you can make your own choice to either be in denial or get on with the program.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not agree entirely with you, Dave.  The official channels had denied to shows the booty due to executive privilege (haha executive privilege my BEEP!).</p>
<p>A lapse in judgement.<br />
Who knwos if she is technically savvy.<br />
Maybe she did it unknowingly.</p>
<p>We are talking about a governor here, Dave, not some milf or soccer mom in your part of town. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even know why I am writing this, this is the first time I write such thing.</p>
<p>You sound like a nice person, probably you have integrity, you respect others, you listen, you say what is on your mind without attacking (sorry for my style).. </p>
<p>You have a point, Mr. S.<br />
&#8220;If we see our government leaders breaching policy, then we should call them out, not assume a vast conspiracy and then hack into their email accounts.&#8221;</p>
<p>.. but you see, everything could be about a relationship between one another, a husband and wife, a governor and the people, a dog and its master. If there is nothing to hide, why the secrecy? &#8212; we the people created the government to serve us; we want the records, they are denied, you go get them yourself, you are not in power to deny our rights. I know my idea has flaws, and it is not perfect but it is not absolute, just a little analogy. </p>
<p>Perhaps I am biased, I admit to that. I have known a fair share of people whom I trusted or wanted to trust and failed to retain my trust or desire to trust them because of secrecy. The secrecy was just a veil covering the ugly truths, which where ugly just because they were covered. Nothing is as beautiful as the radiant truth no matter what that is.</p>
<p>THEN you can make your own choice to either be in denial or get on with the program.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave S.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m reminded of the old adage &quot;Two wrongs don&#039;t make a right&quot; in this instance. Yes, it was inappropriate for Sarah Palin to conduct business over her Yahoo account. However, since the emails in question are so few and seemingly low-gauge, I do not consider it a terrible breach of ethics, but rather a probable lapse in judgment in her part. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if she did it unknowingly. I am not one to judge her technology policy, since I have not read any official statement of hers nor do I know her record with respect to internet issues, so I have no way of knowing whether or not she&#039;s actually technically savy.

All that said, it was extremely inappropriate to hack into her account and get her emails. How can we claim to be advocates of privacy against the government if we do not follow our own claims of ethics? Yes, transparency is of the utmost importance in government, but we should be pursue it via official channels. If we see our government leaders breaching policy, then we should call them out, not assume a vast conspiracy and then hack into their email accounts. Furthermore, this groups actions will certainly not help the credibility of other legitimate technology-related action groups such as the EFF when they are trying to test the candidates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reminded of the old adage &#8220;Two wrongs don&#8217;t make a right&#8221; in this instance. Yes, it was inappropriate for Sarah Palin to conduct business over her Yahoo account. However, since the emails in question are so few and seemingly low-gauge, I do not consider it a terrible breach of ethics, but rather a probable lapse in judgment in her part. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if she did it unknowingly. I am not one to judge her technology policy, since I have not read any official statement of hers nor do I know her record with respect to internet issues, so I have no way of knowing whether or not she&#8217;s actually technically savy.</p>
<p>All that said, it was extremely inappropriate to hack into her account and get her emails. How can we claim to be advocates of privacy against the government if we do not follow our own claims of ethics? Yes, transparency is of the utmost importance in government, but we should be pursue it via official channels. If we see our government leaders breaching policy, then we should call them out, not assume a vast conspiracy and then hack into their email accounts. Furthermore, this groups actions will certainly not help the credibility of other legitimate technology-related action groups such as the EFF when they are trying to test the candidates.</p>
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