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		<title>By: Nathen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t help myself but to comment on this.  He thinks iTunes is better because you own every song you download?  Ok well how about when your computer crashes and all of a sudden all your precious &#039;owned&#039; mp3s are no longer there..... Have fun buying them all again.  I myself will just continue to pay my subscription fee to Zune Pass and just download my entire library again.  10,000 songs at .99ea or 10,000 songs at $15 you pick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help myself but to comment on this.  He thinks iTunes is better because you own every song you download?  Ok well how about when your computer crashes and all of a sudden all your precious &#8216;owned&#8217; mp3s are no longer there&#8230;.. Have fun buying them all again.  I myself will just continue to pay my subscription fee to Zune Pass and just download my entire library again.  10,000 songs at .99ea or 10,000 songs at $15 you pick.</p>
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		<title>By: N Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[N Jackson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s what I don&#039;t understand, if you are comparing  Zune Pass to Itunes.  How can you rip on the subscription piece of Zune when that isn&#039;t even available on Itunes?  Even if Zune charged $25 a month for unlimited music that would beat not having the option, would it not?  Now they are offering 10 included drm free downloads a month.  Would that not cost $9.90 on Itunes?  So there&#039;s a problem with that too?  You have got to be kidding me.  If this is objective journalism I am missing something.  If Zune offered free kittens with every paid month I may think it&#039;s stupid, I may think it&#039;s irrelevant, I may think only an idiot would take one, but then again, no one is forcing me to take the kittens or the 10 downloads.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what I don&#8217;t understand, if you are comparing  Zune Pass to Itunes.  How can you rip on the subscription piece of Zune when that isn&#8217;t even available on Itunes?  Even if Zune charged $25 a month for unlimited music that would beat not having the option, would it not?  Now they are offering 10 included drm free downloads a month.  Would that not cost $9.90 on Itunes?  So there&#8217;s a problem with that too?  You have got to be kidding me.  If this is objective journalism I am missing something.  If Zune offered free kittens with every paid month I may think it&#8217;s stupid, I may think it&#8217;s irrelevant, I may think only an idiot would take one, but then again, no one is forcing me to take the kittens or the 10 downloads.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2008/11/24/zune-pass-update-is-just-a-band-aid-nothing-more/comment-page-2/#comment-5847</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lauren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 04:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I bought a Zune over an iPod because I&#039;ve had about 3 iPods over the years.  Each one breaks for different reasons, either it&#039;s the dock connector or the headphone jack.  If you&#039;ve ever taken one apart when it&#039;s broken, you&#039;ll see that it&#039;s made well but it&#039;s not really made durable enough to not withstand some kind of repair.

The Zune subscription is better than the iTunes equivalent for one main reason:  192kbps audio.

iTunes had 128kbps for most songs when I owned my iPod.  The Zune subscription gives me access to almost all music there, plus the fact that I can keep 10 of them is a very nice plus.  The &quot;friends&quot; feature lets you link others recently played songs and their favorites so that you can possibly add their songs to your library.

Sound quality is soooo much better than the Classics.  With the Zune, I can use WMA Pro 10 24-bit 48kbps 2-channel audio.  iPod is basically limited to 16-bit audio.  Zune outputs the menus on your TV screen so if you have an A/V dock and a remote, you can control playback from across the room if you play music or videos.  Try doing that on any iPod.

Like others have said, iTunes has the Genius feature but you can&#039;t use that on the 5G.  If Zune added such a feature, the first generation Zunes would still have that capability.  If the feature being added were hardware related like a touch sensitive pad or MP4 hardware playback that can&#039;t be done on the 1st gen, that would be the only feature that didn&#039;t work.  They can buy from the FM radio or buy from a wifi hotspot.  They don&#039;t even have to buy the song if you have Zune Pass.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought a Zune over an iPod because I&#8217;ve had about 3 iPods over the years.  Each one breaks for different reasons, either it&#8217;s the dock connector or the headphone jack.  If you&#8217;ve ever taken one apart when it&#8217;s broken, you&#8217;ll see that it&#8217;s made well but it&#8217;s not really made durable enough to not withstand some kind of repair.</p>
<p>The Zune subscription is better than the iTunes equivalent for one main reason:  192kbps audio.</p>
<p>iTunes had 128kbps for most songs when I owned my iPod.  The Zune subscription gives me access to almost all music there, plus the fact that I can keep 10 of them is a very nice plus.  The &#8220;friends&#8221; feature lets you link others recently played songs and their favorites so that you can possibly add their songs to your library.</p>
<p>Sound quality is soooo much better than the Classics.  With the Zune, I can use WMA Pro 10 24-bit 48kbps 2-channel audio.  iPod is basically limited to 16-bit audio.  Zune outputs the menus on your TV screen so if you have an A/V dock and a remote, you can control playback from across the room if you play music or videos.  Try doing that on any iPod.</p>
<p>Like others have said, iTunes has the Genius feature but you can&#8217;t use that on the 5G.  If Zune added such a feature, the first generation Zunes would still have that capability.  If the feature being added were hardware related like a touch sensitive pad or MP4 hardware playback that can&#8217;t be done on the 1st gen, that would be the only feature that didn&#8217;t work.  They can buy from the FM radio or buy from a wifi hotspot.  They don&#8217;t even have to buy the song if you have Zune Pass.</p>
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		<title>By: Jukebox Johnny</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2008/11/24/zune-pass-update-is-just-a-band-aid-nothing-more/comment-page-2/#comment-5370</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jukebox Johnny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ed, I&#039;m not exactly sure what edits you made to the post but I was referring to when I first read this article yesterday when it was first posted. I read every post on technologizer, and have come to expect a certain type of tone and analysis. Your point about the wi-fi isn&#039;t clear. Do you think the ability to download music you hear over fm is gimmicky or the ability to share songs? Also to claim that genius is a huge step forward without acknowledging the music finder available in Zune 3.0 seems like an easy stab. As a genius user i think it&#039;s okay, but at the same time I have a touch so I get more functionality out of the feature then people with old gen ipods or the classic. 

Thank you for clarifying the 10 track thing. If anything is gimmicky I would say offering 10 tracks is without offering 1 album as well. Just further decline of the necessity of albums I guess. At this point I don&#039;t even understand why musicians still release their music in the album format.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, I&#8217;m not exactly sure what edits you made to the post but I was referring to when I first read this article yesterday when it was first posted. I read every post on technologizer, and have come to expect a certain type of tone and analysis. Your point about the wi-fi isn&#8217;t clear. Do you think the ability to download music you hear over fm is gimmicky or the ability to share songs? Also to claim that genius is a huge step forward without acknowledging the music finder available in Zune 3.0 seems like an easy stab. As a genius user i think it&#8217;s okay, but at the same time I have a touch so I get more functionality out of the feature then people with old gen ipods or the classic. </p>
<p>Thank you for clarifying the 10 track thing. If anything is gimmicky I would say offering 10 tracks is without offering 1 album as well. Just further decline of the necessity of albums I guess. At this point I don&#8217;t even understand why musicians still release their music in the album format.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex Lucid</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lex Lucid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just sold my 60GB iPod and bought a 120GB Zune.  The sound quality is definitely better on the Zune (I use Etymotic ER-6i and Sennheiser HD-580 headphones) and the subscription service is fabulous.  The old $5 Yahoo service was totally crap, it had less than 1/4 the music and the support for portables was laughable.

MS will probably continue to get their asses kicked but only a fool would buy the new 120GB Classic over the Zune 120, or a Nano over the Zune 16.  The products aren&#039;t even in the same league, Apple is relying on sheep that will buy anything with their logo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just sold my 60GB iPod and bought a 120GB Zune.  The sound quality is definitely better on the Zune (I use Etymotic ER-6i and Sennheiser HD-580 headphones) and the subscription service is fabulous.  The old $5 Yahoo service was totally crap, it had less than 1/4 the music and the support for portables was laughable.</p>
<p>MS will probably continue to get their asses kicked but only a fool would buy the new 120GB Classic over the Zune 120, or a Nano over the Zune 16.  The products aren&#8217;t even in the same league, Apple is relying on sheep that will buy anything with their logo.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Oswald</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2008/11/24/zune-pass-update-is-just-a-band-aid-nothing-more/comment-page-2/#comment-5358</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Oswald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s 10 tracks. As for being spiteful, I&#039;ve reread this article again, and I don&#039;t get where you see that. It&#039;s a complete disagreement with Ed Bott. It is supported with additional information. As for being incorrect, I&#039;m not sure about that one either. I own a Zune (don&#039;t use it), and have tried to find where I may have been wrong. I am confused by that statement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s 10 tracks. As for being spiteful, I&#8217;ve reread this article again, and I don&#8217;t get where you see that. It&#8217;s a complete disagreement with Ed Bott. It is supported with additional information. As for being incorrect, I&#8217;m not sure about that one either. I own a Zune (don&#8217;t use it), and have tried to find where I may have been wrong. I am confused by that statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Jukebox Johnny</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2008/11/24/zune-pass-update-is-just-a-band-aid-nothing-more/comment-page-2/#comment-5356</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jukebox Johnny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay I&#039;m not going to get into the flame wars here because frankly I&#039;m not qualified to do so as i have never owned a zune. 

I will say that I was pretty shocked by the overall tone of this article and immediately checked who the author was after reading it. I haven&#039;t had to do that on this site and it&#039;s definitely not the tone that I like to read. It came across as spiteful, not to mention the fact that even though I don&#039;t own a Zune I knew some of the things Ed said in the article were just plain incorrect.

In Ed&#039;s defense I have found it quite appalling myself how many &quot;tech experts&quot; have been slobbering all over the new zune pass. I just got done listening to the Engadget Podcast and a good 20 minutes of the podcast was pretty much a commercial for just how awesome the Zune was and how everyone is stupid for not owning one.

I just have one question, that maybe someone can help me out with. Is the new Zune pass 10 tracks OR 1 album? I may be in the minority here but I buy ALBUMS not tracks, and I don&#039;t see the benefit of being able to KEEP 10 tracks if that means I only get 10 songs out of an album that has 13. Most albums, no matter how many tracks they have, are sold for 9.99 on itunes is this not the same way through the Zune marketplace? I haven&#039;t read the official announcement so if I&#039;m wrong that you can&#039;t get a whole album at the end of the month please let me know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay I&#8217;m not going to get into the flame wars here because frankly I&#8217;m not qualified to do so as i have never owned a zune. </p>
<p>I will say that I was pretty shocked by the overall tone of this article and immediately checked who the author was after reading it. I haven&#8217;t had to do that on this site and it&#8217;s definitely not the tone that I like to read. It came across as spiteful, not to mention the fact that even though I don&#8217;t own a Zune I knew some of the things Ed said in the article were just plain incorrect.</p>
<p>In Ed&#8217;s defense I have found it quite appalling myself how many &#8220;tech experts&#8221; have been slobbering all over the new zune pass. I just got done listening to the Engadget Podcast and a good 20 minutes of the podcast was pretty much a commercial for just how awesome the Zune was and how everyone is stupid for not owning one.</p>
<p>I just have one question, that maybe someone can help me out with. Is the new Zune pass 10 tracks OR 1 album? I may be in the minority here but I buy ALBUMS not tracks, and I don&#8217;t see the benefit of being able to KEEP 10 tracks if that means I only get 10 songs out of an album that has 13. Most albums, no matter how many tracks they have, are sold for 9.99 on itunes is this not the same way through the Zune marketplace? I haven&#8217;t read the official announcement so if I&#8217;m wrong that you can&#8217;t get a whole album at the end of the month please let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: hrm</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2008/11/24/zune-pass-update-is-just-a-band-aid-nothing-more/comment-page-2/#comment-5354</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hrm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[... or even an iPhoto.. I was miffed.. I dropped $599 for the iPhoto.. a year later the new iPods came out, that offered video &amp; games..

Technically there was no reason my iPhoto couldn&#039;t play games or videos... but no update for me... If i wanted games or videos, I had to give Apple another $400 for a new device.

The Zune has leaped ahead with changes, some that the iPod already had - and some not... but I didn&#039;t have to buy ANYTHING new.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; or even an iPhoto.. I was miffed.. I dropped $599 for the iPhoto.. a year later the new iPods came out, that offered video &amp; games..</p>
<p>Technically there was no reason my iPhoto couldn&#8217;t play games or videos&#8230; but no update for me&#8230; If i wanted games or videos, I had to give Apple another $400 for a new device.</p>
<p>The Zune has leaped ahead with changes, some that the iPod already had &#8211; and some not&#8230; but I didn&#8217;t have to buy ANYTHING new.</p>
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		<title>By: hrm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hrm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1.  The WiFi does work without another Zune nearby.  I can access the store from work, McDonald&#039;s, home and any other place there&#039;s an open WiFi access port.  Sure the iTouch and iPhone can do that, but the 50,000,000+ other iPods can&#039;t.  I can also sync to my PC with the WiFi.

2.  FM Radio, with song tagging.  Sure I don&#039;t use it much - but my 4 kids each use it all the time.  Hear a song on the radio, tag it - and it automatically downloads (using the WiFi) from the store.

3. Mixview... Not exactly Pandora... but the next closest thing.  I suspect in the next software update, it will be a lot closer to Pandora - especially considering that like-song technology MS is working on.

The reality is that it&#039;s MOST important that you own your music.  That does not require any specific brand device.  The 2nd thing is finding new music... That might be Pandora, Mixview, or watching MTV.  Zune has made HUGE strides in that area - and I think in the the next year you&#039;ll see the leap... 

... and thankfully, my Zunes (all 6) have been able to firmware update for the last 3 years - so we&#039;re not left out.  Try that with a 3 year old shuffle or mini.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  The WiFi does work without another Zune nearby.  I can access the store from work, McDonald&#8217;s, home and any other place there&#8217;s an open WiFi access port.  Sure the iTouch and iPhone can do that, but the 50,000,000+ other iPods can&#8217;t.  I can also sync to my PC with the WiFi.</p>
<p>2.  FM Radio, with song tagging.  Sure I don&#8217;t use it much &#8211; but my 4 kids each use it all the time.  Hear a song on the radio, tag it &#8211; and it automatically downloads (using the WiFi) from the store.</p>
<p>3. Mixview&#8230; Not exactly Pandora&#8230; but the next closest thing.  I suspect in the next software update, it will be a lot closer to Pandora &#8211; especially considering that like-song technology MS is working on.</p>
<p>The reality is that it&#8217;s MOST important that you own your music.  That does not require any specific brand device.  The 2nd thing is finding new music&#8230; That might be Pandora, Mixview, or watching MTV.  Zune has made HUGE strides in that area &#8211; and I think in the the next year you&#8217;ll see the leap&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8230; and thankfully, my Zunes (all 6) have been able to firmware update for the last 3 years &#8211; so we&#8217;re not left out.  Try that with a 3 year old shuffle or mini.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, because your comments sound like you are talking about the Zune at launch; &quot;Add to the fact you now have features like Genius, which further builds on the experience, and Apple is certainly ahead here by a longshot. Simply putting Wi-Fi on your device is not going to cut it, especially if there are so few Zunes out there that it’s nothing more than a gimmick anyway.&quot;

Zune&#039;s Mixview is far superior to Apples Genius, and your reference to using wifi to share media between Zunes shows that you have not used a Zune since launch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, because your comments sound like you are talking about the Zune at launch; &#8220;Add to the fact you now have features like Genius, which further builds on the experience, and Apple is certainly ahead here by a longshot. Simply putting Wi-Fi on your device is not going to cut it, especially if there are so few Zunes out there that it’s nothing more than a gimmick anyway.&#8221;</p>
<p>Zune&#8217;s Mixview is far superior to Apples Genius, and your reference to using wifi to share media between Zunes shows that you have not used a Zune since launch.</p>
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