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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/02/07/cwa-no-strike-at-att-yet/comment-page-2/#comment-84574</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 11:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speaking of health care. Did you know that while crying poor on healthcare costs at&amp;t took over a 100 million in subsidies from the govt towards health care costs? A company that pays crap for taxes in this country and makes billions each quarter is taking subsidies while asking employees to contribute? Our govt is a joke for handing them anything. The CWA is a joke in the way they organize and lead as well. at&amp;t has cut more jobs and also lowered wages through CWA approved jobs such as the prem tech position that I am surprised they are not down to paying minimum wage yet. Why do the rest of us need to subsidies health care for a company that is making any profit? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of health care. Did you know that while crying poor on healthcare costs at&amp;t took over a 100 million in subsidies from the govt towards health care costs? A company that pays crap for taxes in this country and makes billions each quarter is taking subsidies while asking employees to contribute? Our govt is a joke for handing them anything. The CWA is a joke in the way they organize and lead as well. at&amp;t has cut more jobs and also lowered wages through CWA approved jobs such as the prem tech position that I am surprised they are not down to paying minimum wage yet. Why do the rest of us need to subsidies health care for a company that is making any profit?</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 11:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After you have been there about 5 years then come back and post and we will see how you feel. They always use the employee to increase profits. Would you feel so happy if I lived next to you and if I didn&#039;t think my income was enough so I came over and took from you and my other neighbors to increase my income? It is no different than when a company is making huge profits and the CEO wants more next year so instead of being a good business man he takes the thief method. Only for him it is legal, for you it is not. When will it be enough taken from those that do the work, when you have to buy your goods from the company owned store like it was before unions? Will they have enough profits when you live in a home owned by the company? How much can they keep taking back to increase profits. They are stealing from you and me and you think because you never had a job that pays what your making now that you are doing so good? The gap between the workers and the management/wealthy has gotten so out of control it is crazy. They are doing nothing more than redistributing wealth from your pockets to theirs. It&#039;s not capitalism, it&#039;s legalized theft and strong arming of others. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After you have been there about 5 years then come back and post and we will see how you feel. They always use the employee to increase profits. Would you feel so happy if I lived next to you and if I didn&#039;t think my income was enough so I came over and took from you and my other neighbors to increase my income? It is no different than when a company is making huge profits and the CEO wants more next year so instead of being a good business man he takes the thief method. Only for him it is legal, for you it is not. When will it be enough taken from those that do the work, when you have to buy your goods from the company owned store like it was before unions? Will they have enough profits when you live in a home owned by the company? How much can they keep taking back to increase profits. They are stealing from you and me and you think because you never had a job that pays what your making now that you are doing so good? The gap between the workers and the management/wealthy has gotten so out of control it is crazy. They are doing nothing more than redistributing wealth from your pockets to theirs. It&#039;s not capitalism, it&#039;s legalized theft and strong arming of others.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/02/07/cwa-no-strike-at-att-yet/comment-page-2/#comment-84571</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 11:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every work place has a dead beat worker so that lame old saying is ridiculous. If you think that a company like ATT (And I worked there for 7 years Ameritech/SBC/at&amp;t} is going to give you more than the contract if it&#039;s not there, or better benny&#039;s than the contract allows, your off your rocker. This is a company that has been laying off people since the early 2000s while making profits of 2 to 3 billion a quarter. Ed Whitacre did not reduce his pay in what he claimed were hard economic times now did he? If we had less greedy and more ethical businesses we would not need unions. And as far as Unions if you look at how out of control the large Unions have become you would see that the average worker is stuck in the middle of a pile of crap. The CWA is a joke and fights for things like a drunk in a bar fight. They blame the membership for not getting involved but the leadership does not promote involvement because many do not agree with the way the Union is run. There is not happy medium because the fight is gone on the union side and ethics are gone on the business side. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every work place has a dead beat worker so that lame old saying is ridiculous. If you think that a company like ATT (And I worked there for 7 years Ameritech/SBC/at&amp;t} is going to give you more than the contract if it&#039;s not there, or better benny&#039;s than the contract allows, your off your rocker. This is a company that has been laying off people since the early 2000s while making profits of 2 to 3 billion a quarter. Ed Whitacre did not reduce his pay in what he claimed were hard economic times now did he? If we had less greedy and more ethical businesses we would not need unions. And as far as Unions if you look at how out of control the large Unions have become you would see that the average worker is stuck in the middle of a pile of crap. The CWA is a joke and fights for things like a drunk in a bar fight. They blame the membership for not getting involved but the leadership does not promote involvement because many do not agree with the way the Union is run. There is not happy medium because the fight is gone on the union side and ethics are gone on the business side.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/02/07/cwa-no-strike-at-att-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-84570</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 11:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People always say look at what the Unions have done to the auto industry, It is not the Unions doing anything to anyone, it is greed at the top. Corporations have this need to always make more and more regardless of where that more comes from. When CEO&#039;s with no investment into a company are making millions and millions of dollars, and the company is making a profit then there is enough to go around when it comes to a living wage an benefits. The constant grab into the workers pockets is nuts and it is that greed that is destroying our country. If your company is making 10 Billion a year maybe it will be just fine if you do not take anything from the workers that made that money and you make 10 billion again next year and not 15 billion stolen from the pockets of the workers. The tree only has so much fruit to harvest? You don&#039;t see these upper management people cutting their pay and huge bonuses when they take away from the workers now do you? 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People always say look at what the Unions have done to the auto industry, It is not the Unions doing anything to anyone, it is greed at the top. Corporations have this need to always make more and more regardless of where that more comes from. When CEO&#039;s with no investment into a company are making millions and millions of dollars, and the company is making a profit then there is enough to go around when it comes to a living wage an benefits. The constant grab into the workers pockets is nuts and it is that greed that is destroying our country. If your company is making 10 Billion a year maybe it will be just fine if you do not take anything from the workers that made that money and you make 10 billion again next year and not 15 billion stolen from the pockets of the workers. The tree only has so much fruit to harvest? You don&#039;t see these upper management people cutting their pay and huge bonuses when they take away from the workers now do you?</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MaxAp</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/02/07/cwa-no-strike-at-att-yet/comment-page-20/#comment-20654</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MaxAp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope the three sides agree, the workers, their employer, and the union.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the three sides agree, the workers, their employer, and the union.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/02/07/cwa-no-strike-at-att-yet/comment-page-20/#comment-20650</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope the two sides will talk so that this dispute between them will be fixed. Hopefully everything will turn out ok...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the two sides will talk so that this dispute between them will be fixed. Hopefully everything will turn out ok&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Q</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/02/07/cwa-no-strike-at-att-yet/comment-page-20/#comment-15969</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Q]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 00:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[KOKOMO TEXAN..

Its a contract violation.  The company can not do a run around and excluide the union. CWA is the sole bargaining unit. It was a strategic move by the company to try and undermine the union. Asking the members to call their hall and ask to vote on something that was not bargained for or passed across the bargaining table... BAD move on the company part... 

How can you claim poor and on the verge of asking for a bail-out, while you have 14 billion dollars in the bank. THe employee&#039;s helped them make that money and need to be compensated justly.  Why are the top executives healthcare free for life (including whiticare and his whole family)for them and their whole family, but asking us to come out of pocket up to 6,000 per family.. 

If you are so poor that you do not have money for healthcare, where did you get the money for investments... 

AS far as why you arent treated fairly.. i have no idea.. if you work in a union shop then you will get whatever the union bargains....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KOKOMO TEXAN..</p>
<p>Its a contract violation.  The company can not do a run around and excluide the union. CWA is the sole bargaining unit. It was a strategic move by the company to try and undermine the union. Asking the members to call their hall and ask to vote on something that was not bargained for or passed across the bargaining table&#8230; BAD move on the company part&#8230; </p>
<p>How can you claim poor and on the verge of asking for a bail-out, while you have 14 billion dollars in the bank. THe employee&#8217;s helped them make that money and need to be compensated justly.  Why are the top executives healthcare free for life (including whiticare and his whole family)for them and their whole family, but asking us to come out of pocket up to 6,000 per family.. </p>
<p>If you are so poor that you do not have money for healthcare, where did you get the money for investments&#8230; </p>
<p>AS far as why you arent treated fairly.. i have no idea.. if you work in a union shop then you will get whatever the union bargains&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: KokomoTexan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KokomoTexan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 23:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t get why the timing matters. There can’t be a vote before the leadership can talk to members. They could write it on the bathroom wall at 2:30 a.m. and it wouldn&#039;t make any difference where the leaders are or what they’re doing so long as a vote doesn’t happen before enough time for discussion.

What difference does the Verizon deal make? If Verizon had to unload some assets, I’m guessing they were a pretty good deal. Someone always says, “Look how much they spent” whenever the company spends anything or “If they can afford to do THAT” like it shouldn’t spend any money at all. The Verizon deal isn’t making benefits more expensive, and I don’t expect the company to stop doing business until it can pay for every increase in the cost of health care first.

The company is in a no-win situation. How does investing in assets justify keeping CWA benefit costs where they are but everyone else needing to pay more for their benefits doesn’t matter? If they try to keep costs down for current members, people make an issue about what future employees would get when it’s what the rest of the company already has. It’s like pick a mix, just not with candy.

None of this has anything to do with this being a fair offer and it doesn’t explain why the union should pay less for coverage than everyone else. This offer looks better than what the rest of the company gets, so why does the CWA deserve more for less other than what it’s used to paying? Everyone else was used to paying less too.  Where was the CWA while everyone else was being treated this unfairly?

That’s the real question, not when or where or how the company made a press release or pointing to any time the company has spent money like it should mean the company must be able to spend more. Any offer that costs the CWA less than everyone else more than fair. If it wasn’t, all the discussion would be about everyone else being treated better than the CWA instead of every other reason under the sun that has nothing to do health care being more expensive and why it shouldn’t affect the union like everyone else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get why the timing matters. There can’t be a vote before the leadership can talk to members. They could write it on the bathroom wall at 2:30 a.m. and it wouldn&#8217;t make any difference where the leaders are or what they’re doing so long as a vote doesn’t happen before enough time for discussion.</p>
<p>What difference does the Verizon deal make? If Verizon had to unload some assets, I’m guessing they were a pretty good deal. Someone always says, “Look how much they spent” whenever the company spends anything or “If they can afford to do THAT” like it shouldn’t spend any money at all. The Verizon deal isn’t making benefits more expensive, and I don’t expect the company to stop doing business until it can pay for every increase in the cost of health care first.</p>
<p>The company is in a no-win situation. How does investing in assets justify keeping CWA benefit costs where they are but everyone else needing to pay more for their benefits doesn’t matter? If they try to keep costs down for current members, people make an issue about what future employees would get when it’s what the rest of the company already has. It’s like pick a mix, just not with candy.</p>
<p>None of this has anything to do with this being a fair offer and it doesn’t explain why the union should pay less for coverage than everyone else. This offer looks better than what the rest of the company gets, so why does the CWA deserve more for less other than what it’s used to paying? Everyone else was used to paying less too.  Where was the CWA while everyone else was being treated this unfairly?</p>
<p>That’s the real question, not when or where or how the company made a press release or pointing to any time the company has spent money like it should mean the company must be able to spend more. Any offer that costs the CWA less than everyone else more than fair. If it wasn’t, all the discussion would be about everyone else being treated better than the CWA instead of every other reason under the sun that has nothing to do health care being more expensive and why it shouldn’t affect the union like everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Q</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Q]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 20:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As most you know by now, AT&amp;T has made a last,best and final offer on healthcare for district 6. This was not bargained for with the union, the company put it together and gave it out and they are asking district 6 CWA memeber to call their union and ask to vote on it
The Company was prepared with an eight (8) page, “AT&amp;T News Now Article,” complete with a calculator, and a video from John Stankey, President CEO AT&amp;T Operations addressing employees with the Company’s detailed version of their package.  All this was planned at a time where the Company knew that all the CWA Local Presidents would be out of town attending a joint CWA/AT&amp;T Common Interest Forum (CIF) Meeting, therefore would be unable to communicate with their members promptly.  Keep in Mind, this was just the SECOND DAY after face to face bargaining with the Company had resumed. 

The Company’s proposed rates for current employees range from $5.00 to $45.00 per month, and up to 15% of the FULL PREMIUMS for New Hires.  The Company’s projection for 2010 is that New Hires will pay up to $321.00 per month.  


MONTHLY CONTRIBUTIONS FOR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES
Coverage Tier 2010 2011 2012
Individuals   $5   $10  $15
Individual +1 $10  $20  $30
Family        $15  $30  $45

NETWORK DEDUCTIBLES
Coverage Tier % of Annual Rate of Pay Maximum Amount
Individuals          1%     $500
Individual +1        2%     $1,000
Family               3%     $1,500

COINSURANCE
Network Type Employee Portion
Network        10%
Non-Network    40%

DRUG COPAYS
Drug Type Retail (up to a 30-ay supply)
                                    Mail Order (up to a 90-day supply)
Generic       $10                       $20
Formulary     $35                       $70
Non-Formulary $60                       $120

NETWORK OUT-OF-POCKET MAXIMUMS
Coverage Tier % of Annual Rate of Pay Maximum Amount
Individual       4%         $2,500
Individual +1    6%         $4,000
Family           8%         $5,300

Mr. Stankey called these &quot;modest&quot; amounts. I guess when you have free healthcare,.... this would seem modest too..
This is horrible, from a company that has 16 billion in the bank, and can afford to buy 2.5 billion worth of Verizon assets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As most you know by now, AT&amp;T has made a last,best and final offer on healthcare for district 6. This was not bargained for with the union, the company put it together and gave it out and they are asking district 6 CWA memeber to call their union and ask to vote on it<br />
The Company was prepared with an eight (8) page, “AT&amp;T News Now Article,” complete with a calculator, and a video from John Stankey, President CEO AT&amp;T Operations addressing employees with the Company’s detailed version of their package.  All this was planned at a time where the Company knew that all the CWA Local Presidents would be out of town attending a joint CWA/AT&amp;T Common Interest Forum (CIF) Meeting, therefore would be unable to communicate with their members promptly.  Keep in Mind, this was just the SECOND DAY after face to face bargaining with the Company had resumed. </p>
<p>The Company’s proposed rates for current employees range from $5.00 to $45.00 per month, and up to 15% of the FULL PREMIUMS for New Hires.  The Company’s projection for 2010 is that New Hires will pay up to $321.00 per month.  </p>
<p>MONTHLY CONTRIBUTIONS FOR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES<br />
Coverage Tier 2010 2011 2012<br />
Individuals   $5   $10  $15<br />
Individual +1 $10  $20  $30<br />
Family        $15  $30  $45</p>
<p>NETWORK DEDUCTIBLES<br />
Coverage Tier % of Annual Rate of Pay Maximum Amount<br />
Individuals          1%     $500<br />
Individual +1        2%     $1,000<br />
Family               3%     $1,500</p>
<p>COINSURANCE<br />
Network Type Employee Portion<br />
Network        10%<br />
Non-Network    40%</p>
<p>DRUG COPAYS<br />
Drug Type Retail (up to a 30-ay supply)<br />
                                    Mail Order (up to a 90-day supply)<br />
Generic       $10                       $20<br />
Formulary     $35                       $70<br />
Non-Formulary $60                       $120</p>
<p>NETWORK OUT-OF-POCKET MAXIMUMS<br />
Coverage Tier % of Annual Rate of Pay Maximum Amount<br />
Individual       4%         $2,500<br />
Individual +1    6%         $4,000<br />
Family           8%         $5,300</p>
<p>Mr. Stankey called these &#8220;modest&#8221; amounts. I guess when you have free healthcare,&#8230;. this would seem modest too..<br />
This is horrible, from a company that has 16 billion in the bank, and can afford to buy 2.5 billion worth of Verizon assets.</p>
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