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	<title>Comments on: The No-Google-Voice-on-iPhone Uprising Continues</title>
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		<title>By: Lucas</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/07/31/the-no-google-voice-on-iphone-uprising-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-26160</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[watching this story continue I have to say this. yes it would be nice if Apple had  done what Microsoft is doing with their WinMo kit. Flat out stated, as Microsoft recently do bluntly did, what would categorically not be allowed on page one before anyone signs up. That way you know if you want to do X, don&#039;t bother, you won&#039;t ever be approved. Now, not being an iphone developer, I can&#039;t say that they didn&#039;t at least in some vague terms start those prohibitions after you signed up. Maybe they did and folks didn&#039;t go back and say &quot;so what the heck does this mean&quot; until after it was used as a reason for rejection. 

on the &#039;it takes too long&#039; folks need to chill when you have what comes out to about 100 apps a week per person to review things are going to take  time. this isn&#039;t a 5 minute deal after all.  yes it would be nice if there was some kind of &#039;status&#039; so you could at least know that your app is on a desk. maybe there is and  I don&#039;t know cause I am not a developer. maybe Apple needs to charge a few for every submission like Microsoft is going to do they can hire more reviewers. 

but the funny thing is that in the end,  all this Google nonsense didn&#039;t come from Google. yeah, you heard that right.  Google did NOT file  the complaint. The complaint originally came from a group of folks  that had bought the app, then saw it pulled and tried to get a refund from Apple only to be reminded that they agreed to a terms of service that said that any app can be pulled at any time  and the user understood there were no refunds -- all  app sales  are  final. They likely didn&#039;t actually read the terms but hit yes and were pissed so they ran and &quot;told the teacher&quot;. Over something like $5.00]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>watching this story continue I have to say this. yes it would be nice if Apple had  done what Microsoft is doing with their WinMo kit. Flat out stated, as Microsoft recently do bluntly did, what would categorically not be allowed on page one before anyone signs up. That way you know if you want to do X, don&#8217;t bother, you won&#8217;t ever be approved. Now, not being an iphone developer, I can&#8217;t say that they didn&#8217;t at least in some vague terms start those prohibitions after you signed up. Maybe they did and folks didn&#8217;t go back and say &#8220;so what the heck does this mean&#8221; until after it was used as a reason for rejection. </p>
<p>on the &#8216;it takes too long&#8217;folks need to chill when you have what comes out to about 100 apps a week per person to review things are going to take  time. this isn&#8217;t a 5 minute deal after all.  yes it would be nice if there was some kind of &#8216;status&#8217;so you could at least know that your app is on a desk. maybe there is and  I don&#8217;t know cause I am not a developer. maybe Apple needs to charge a few for every submission like Microsoft is going to do they can hire more reviewers. </p>
<p>but the funny thing is that in the end,  all this Google nonsense didn&#8217;t come from Google. yeah, you heard that right.  Google did NOT file  the complaint. The complaint originally came from a group of folks  that had bought the app, then saw it pulled and tried to get a refund from Apple only to be reminded that they agreed to a terms of service that said that any app can be pulled at any time  and the user understood there were no refunds &#8212; all  app sales  are  final. They likely didn&#8217;t actually read the terms but hit yes and were pissed so they ran and &#8220;told the teacher&#8221;. Over something like $5.00</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Harvey</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/07/31/the-no-google-voice-on-iphone-uprising-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-22162</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Harvey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The thing that many people actually forget in this issue is anyone who is reading this and getting irate over the issue is a techie.  Whether they are a developer(as I am) or just a big technology nerd, anyone who is angry about this issue is &#039;in the know.&#039;  But who is Apple&#039;s biggest customer?  Sally and Bobby from Suburbia.  Do you think they care if Apple has a dictatorship over what does and doesn&#039;t make it to the app store?  Do you think they even know what Google Voice is?  No. Apple knows this and as long as their products are pretty, easy to use and just work, Sally and Bobby will keep making their parents buy them Apple products and when they grow up will also buy Apple products.  Apple doesn&#039;t care about the developer and in the end it doesn&#039;t matter, because if you want to make a mobile app that sells you have to use their platform for the user base.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that many people actually forget in this issue is anyone who is reading this and getting irate over the issue is a techie.  Whether they are a developer(as I am) or just a big technology nerd, anyone who is angry about this issue is &#8216;in the know.&#8217; But who is Apple&#8217;s biggest customer?  Sally and Bobby from Suburbia.  Do you think they care if Apple has a dictatorship over what does and doesn&#8217;t make it to the app store?  Do you think they even know what Google Voice is?  No. Apple knows this and as long as their products are pretty, easy to use and just work, Sally and Bobby will keep making their parents buy them Apple products and when they grow up will also buy Apple products.  Apple doesn&#8217;t care about the developer and in the end it doesn&#8217;t matter, because if you want to make a mobile app that sells you have to use their platform for the user base.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad Week for New Telephony &#124; super-structure</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/07/31/the-no-google-voice-on-iphone-uprising-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-22148</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bad Week for New Telephony &#124; super-structure]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the only official means of putting an application on your purchased phone). But this appears to be the last straw on the developers&#8217; backs on which Apple has made a mint selling iPhones1. At least one [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the only official means of putting an application on your purchased phone). But this appears to be the last straw on the developers&#8217; backs on which Apple has made a mint selling iPhones1. At least one [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Van Valzah</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/07/31/the-no-google-voice-on-iphone-uprising-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-22141</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Van Valzah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m all for consumers making their displeasures known. It certainly was Apple that made the final decision here, but it&#039;s reasonable to think that there may have been pressure from AT&amp;T on this point. We&#039;ll probably never know for sure.

The biggest value of angry customers may be that it give Apple a little more spine in dealing with AT&amp;T on future decisions where the interests of their customers are pitted against the interests of their corporate partners.

     Bob]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for consumers making their displeasures known. It certainly was Apple that made the final decision here, but it&#8217;s reasonable to think that there may have been pressure from AT&amp;T on this point. We&#8217;ll probably never know for sure.</p>
<p>The biggest value of angry customers may be that it give Apple a little more spine in dealing with AT&amp;T on future decisions where the interests of their customers are pitted against the interests of their corporate partners.</p>
<p>     Bob</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/07/31/the-no-google-voice-on-iphone-uprising-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-22140</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll third that. And there needs to be a statement pretty sharpish to the effect of &quot;we hear you. We&#039;re on it&quot;&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll third that. And there needs to be a statement pretty sharpish to the effect of &#8220;we hear you. We&#8217;re on it&#8221;"</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/07/31/the-no-google-voice-on-iphone-uprising-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-22130</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m wondering if the scale has finally tipped.  For some time, it seemed like the tech community held Apple to a different (arguably lower) standard, but the outrage over this isn&#039;t like anything I&#039;ve seen directed Apple&#039;s way recently.  I agree with cm that Apple needs to do more than just allw the Google Voice app.  It needs to overhaul the approval process, and instill confidence in developers and in users.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering if the scale has finally tipped.  For some time, it seemed like the tech community held Apple to a different (arguably lower) standard, but the outrage over this isn&#8217;t like anything I&#8217;ve seen directed Apple&#8217;s way recently.  I agree with cm that Apple needs to do more than just allw the Google Voice app.  It needs to overhaul the approval process, and instill confidence in developers and in users.</p>
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		<title>By: cm</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/07/31/the-no-google-voice-on-iphone-uprising-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-22125</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think putting Google Voice back on the iPhone is going to solve anything. Google Voice is the last straw to the secretive app approval process. Customers and developers are no longer willing to give Apple the benefit of the doubt now. Apple has to change their approach, not give us Google Voice app.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think putting Google Voice back on the iPhone is going to solve anything. Google Voice is the last straw to the secretive app approval process. Customers and developers are no longer willing to give Apple the benefit of the doubt now. Apple has to change their approach, not give us Google Voice app.</p>
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