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	<title>Comments on: iTune Sync for PalmPre: Once Again, It&#8217;s Over</title>
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		<title>By: Palm&#8217;s Quixotic Quest Continues&#160;&#124;&#160;Technologizer</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/09/23/itune-sync-for-palmpre-once-again-its-over/comment-page-2/#comment-27465</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Palm&#8217;s Quixotic Quest Continues&#160;&#124;&#160;Technologizer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] photos, and now photo albums with iTunes, no extra software required. The move comes after the USB Implements Forum took Apple&#8217;s side in the tiff over Palm&#8217;s spoofing of iTunes into t.... If I recall correctly, Apple has released two iTunes updates that blocked earlier versions of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] photos, and now photo albums with iTunes, no extra software required. The move comes after the USB Implements Forum took Apple&#8217;s side in the tiff over Palm&#8217;s spoofing of iTunes into t&#8230;. If I recall correctly, Apple has released two iTunes updates that blocked earlier versions of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 1984 All Over Again&#160;&#124;&#160;Technologizer</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/09/23/itune-sync-for-palmpre-once-again-its-over/comment-page-1/#comment-26960</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] own Apple devices participate in the iTunes ecology in a way that makes way more sense than Palm&#8217;s USB spoofing. DoubleTwist founder Jon &#8220;DVD Jon&#8221; Lech Johansen is a kind of a genius, and I&#8217;m [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] own Apple devices participate in the iTunes ecology in a way that makes way more sense than Palm&#8217;s USB spoofing. DoubleTwist founder Jon &#8220;DVD Jon&#8221; Lech Johansen is a kind of a genius, and I&#8217;m [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Smitty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Smitty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not about iTunes &quot;owning the market&quot;, it&#039;s about connecting directly to a third party device. I don&#039;t expect my iPhone to use ActiveSync to connect to Outlook on a PC, and I surely don&#039;t expect Microsoft to support that, either. And I&#039;ve never heard anyone whining that Microsoft aren&#039;t allowing that connection.

There are other companies that connect to the iTunes _data_ on computers, (which is really what people are wanting). Missing Sync comes to mind ( http://www.markspace.com ), but I&#039;m sure there are others. Apple shouldn&#039;t have to allow third party connections, because if they do, users will then call Apple&#039;s help desk for assistance, which means Apple would, in essence, be donating support resources to any hardware makers too lazy to code their own sync apps. Just because everyone and their brother buys songs through the iTunes Music Store doesn&#039;t mean they have an obligation to transfer it to other platforms. They support Windows and Mac OS X and the iPhones/iPods they sell. If you want Pre support, either write your own, or tell Palm to put on their big boy/girl panties and learn to write some software.

Judging from the past decade when I used Palm devices exclusively, they probably won&#039;t step up and do it, though. Their syncing software programs were bad enough that I&#039;m not surprised they are trying to hitch a ride. MarkSpace was a niche company before they decided to do what Palm wouldn&#039;t and build good software to sync Palm devices to Macs. Looks like Palm has done it again, and I salute the USB-IF for standing up to their whiney attitude and telling them to play by the rules that everyone else is.

Meanwhile, there is a golden &quot;third party opportunity&quot; here: write a Pre sync app for Mac and PC, and charge $30-40 for it. Add some functionality other than connecting to iTunes data, and you&#039;ll find there are people out there willing to pay for good software. Palm obviously doesn&#039;t think their hardware needs to connect to the laptop/desktop, or they&#039;d have written an app for it. Prove them wrong.

Oh, wait - Mark Space already did that! ( http://www.markspace.com/products/pre/windows/palm-pre-sync-overview.html ) Pre users, complain to Palm that you shouldn&#039;t have to pay for this, and they should discount your Pre $40 to cover it. Heh - yeah. And note the blue splat - &quot;Works with iTunes and Windows Media Player.&quot;

So everyone who says iPhones are too expensive, here&#039;s another item that you&#039;ve left off the list: iTunes is free and syncs your data nicely. Other manufacturers make you pay for a third party app. 

And no, I don&#039;t have any connection to Mark Space. I actually get irritated at how much their stuff costs (especially the upgrade!), but when I had a Palm, it was a necessity. They want me to buy software to replace iTunes, but I&#039;m quite happy with iTunes, thankyouverymuch. Your mileage may vary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not about iTunes &#8220;owning the market&#8221;, it&#8217;s about connecting directly to a third party device. I don&#8217;t expect my iPhone to use ActiveSync to connect to Outlook on a PC, and I surely don&#8217;t expect Microsoft to support that, either. And I&#8217;ve never heard anyone whining that Microsoft aren&#8217;t allowing that connection.</p>
<p>There are other companies that connect to the iTunes _data_ on computers, (which is really what people are wanting). Missing Sync comes to mind ( <a href="http://www.markspace.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.markspace.com</a> ), but I&#8217;m sure there are others. Apple shouldn&#8217;t have to allow third party connections, because if they do, users will then call Apple&#8217;s help desk for assistance, which means Apple would, in essence, be donating support resources to any hardware makers too lazy to code their own sync apps. Just because everyone and their brother buys songs through the iTunes Music Store doesn&#8217;t mean they have an obligation to transfer it to other platforms. They support Windows and Mac OS X and the iPhones/iPods they sell. If you want Pre support, either write your own, or tell Palm to put on their big boy/girl panties and learn to write some software.</p>
<p>Judging from the past decade when I used Palm devices exclusively, they probably won&#8217;t step up and do it, though. Their syncing software programs were bad enough that I&#8217;m not surprised they are trying to hitch a ride. MarkSpace was a niche company before they decided to do what Palm wouldn&#8217;t and build good software to sync Palm devices to Macs. Looks like Palm has done it again, and I salute the USB-IF for standing up to their whiney attitude and telling them to play by the rules that everyone else is.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, there is a golden &#8220;third party opportunity&#8221; here: write a Pre sync app for Mac and PC, and charge $30-40 for it. Add some functionality other than connecting to iTunes data, and you&#8217;ll find there are people out there willing to pay for good software. Palm obviously doesn&#8217;t think their hardware needs to connect to the laptop/desktop, or they&#8217;d have written an app for it. Prove them wrong.</p>
<p>Oh, wait &#8211; Mark Space already did that! ( <a href="http://www.markspace.com/products/pre/windows/palm-pre-sync-overview.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.markspace.com/products/pre/windows/palm-pre-sync-overview.html</a> ) Pre users, complain to Palm that you shouldn&#8217;t have to pay for this, and they should discount your Pre $40 to cover it. Heh &#8211; yeah. And note the blue splat &#8211; &#8220;Works with iTunes and Windows Media Player.&#8221;</p>
<p>So everyone who says iPhones are too expensive, here&#8217;s another item that you&#8217;ve left off the list: iTunes is free and syncs your data nicely. Other manufacturers make you pay for a third party app. </p>
<p>And no, I don&#8217;t have any connection to Mark Space. I actually get irritated at how much their stuff costs (especially the upgrade!), but when I had a Palm, it was a necessity. They want me to buy software to replace iTunes, but I&#8217;m quite happy with iTunes, thankyouverymuch. Your mileage may vary.</p>
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		<title>By: ecco6t9</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/09/23/itune-sync-for-palmpre-once-again-its-over/comment-page-1/#comment-26518</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Palm, give it up you will only piss off your customer base.

Apple please lighten up, you have become more evil and controlling than Microsoft. Seriously why can&#039;t I buy a 3rd party charger for $4.98 on clearance at Toys R Us and have it work with my iPhone?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palm, give it up you will only piss off your customer base.</p>
<p>Apple please lighten up, you have become more evil and controlling than Microsoft. Seriously why can&#8217;t I buy a 3rd party charger for $4.98 on clearance at Toys R Us and have it work with my iPhone?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Donahue</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/09/23/itune-sync-for-palmpre-once-again-its-over/comment-page-1/#comment-26510</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Donahue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish Itunes would support non-Apple devices also. I spent 2 years buying on Itunes, them re-ripping to work with a Creative Zen(2003). But, Palm brought this trouble on themselves being underhanded and faking the USB ID.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish Itunes would support non-Apple devices also. I spent 2 years buying on Itunes, them re-ripping to work with a Creative Zen(2003). But, Palm brought this trouble on themselves being underhanded and faking the USB ID.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/09/23/itune-sync-for-palmpre-once-again-its-over/comment-page-1/#comment-26507</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[iTunes is already available to Windows PCs, so it&#039;s certainly not locked down for non-Apple devices.  So, what&#039;s the big deal with allowing the Palm Pre to sync?  Sure, it&#039;s a small competitor of the iPhone, but those consumers have already spent their money with Palm.  Why wouldn&#039;t Apple want iTunes revenue from those consumers?  This just doesn&#039;t make any business sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iTunes is already available to Windows PCs, so it&#8217;s certainly not locked down for non-Apple devices.  So, what&#8217;s the big deal with allowing the Palm Pre to sync?  Sure, it&#8217;s a small competitor of the iPhone, but those consumers have already spent their money with Palm.  Why wouldn&#8217;t Apple want iTunes revenue from those consumers?  This just doesn&#8217;t make any business sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/09/23/itune-sync-for-palmpre-once-again-its-over/comment-page-1/#comment-26501</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[iTunes is a dog, but probably the only software that is both Mac and PC compatible. It costs a lot to develop for two platforms, so I can see why Palm are looking to avoid it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iTunes is a dog, but probably the only software that is both Mac and PC compatible. It costs a lot to develop for two platforms, so I can see why Palm are looking to avoid it</p>
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		<title>By: Harry McCracken</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/09/23/itune-sync-for-palmpre-once-again-its-over/comment-page-1/#comment-26495</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harry McCracken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d certainly be happier if iTunes didn&#039;t dominate digital entertainment distribution to the extent it does--which is why I&#039;m glad Amazon seems to be really serious about providing really serious competition, and hope that other major players emerge. But syncing a Pre with iTunes is such a basically useful thing that I was hoping Apple wouldn&#039;t object (and I still hope Palm just does it via its own middleware, which would provide 80% of the benefit of Media Sync without the drama).

--Harry]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d certainly be happier if iTunes didn&#8217;t dominate digital entertainment distribution to the extent it does&#8211;which is why I&#8217;m glad Amazon seems to be really serious about providing really serious competition, and hope that other major players emerge. But syncing a Pre with iTunes is such a basically useful thing that I was hoping Apple wouldn&#8217;t object (and I still hope Palm just does it via its own middleware, which would provide 80% of the benefit of Media Sync without the drama).</p>
<p>&#8211;Harry</p>
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		<title>By: qwerty017</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[qwerty017]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if someone could just come out with a sync cable that replaced one USB ID with another? Heck, if that was possible then you could sync anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if someone could just come out with a sync cable that replaced one USB ID with another? Heck, if that was possible then you could sync anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/09/23/itune-sync-for-palmpre-once-again-its-over/comment-page-1/#comment-26490</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why would you want Palm to win this battle?  So that we can have a convergence of a software tool to sync all our content?  Would not this give Apple unprecedented control over all pmp/smart phone content?  It&#039;s bad enough that we fight with MS over the monopoly of PC OS, but to now hand over how we sync our media content over to Apple would be a very bad idea. I love Apple products and their iTunes, but competition is they key to consumers. 

Apple has set the bar on what to expect from our consumer products, compete at that level. Palm is better off setting it&#039;s software that gives better value to it&#039;s users then trying to leverage someone elses tool. Doing what Palm has done has left a poor perception of the company name and people view of their product.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would you want Palm to win this battle?  So that we can have a convergence of a software tool to sync all our content?  Would not this give Apple unprecedented control over all pmp/smart phone content?  It&#8217;s bad enough that we fight with MS over the monopoly of PC OS, but to now hand over how we sync our media content over to Apple would be a very bad idea. I love Apple products and their iTunes, but competition is they key to consumers. </p>
<p>Apple has set the bar on what to expect from our consumer products, compete at that level. Palm is better off setting it&#8217;s software that gives better value to it&#8217;s users then trying to leverage someone elses tool. Doing what Palm has done has left a poor perception of the company name and people view of their product.</p>
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