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	<title>Comments on: House Republican Asks FCC to Stop Open Internet Vote</title>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/10/20/house-republican-asks-fcc-to-stop-open-internet-vote/comment-page-2/#comment-28544</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul, I think you have a bit too much confidence in the government given their track record.

You are right that competition has been lacking but that is changing. Wireless ISP&#039;s are popping up all over the place and this will only continue. Every phone, cable, and DSL provider planning to stay in business are looking at wireless because it will allow them to compete in any location regardless of who owns the copper in the ground. The government could help improve the situation by helping fund wireless start-ups.
If net neutrality passes it will interfere with an ISP&#039;s ability to manage their network in a way that keeps the network running well. There are perfectly legal applications out there now and most likely many to be invented that allow a individual to negatively impact the network for others in their area. With net neutrality an ISP&#039;s ability to control these applications would be gone, unless the ISP massively built out their infrastructure - raising prices.
Also, members of congress have been looking for ways to tax the internet for a long time. I would expect that the more involved they became the more likely it would be that they would find a reason to start taxing it. Just like they did with the PSTN. 
As an IT department manager I prefer to see the government stay away from the internet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, I think you have a bit too much confidence in the government given their track record.</p>
<p>You are right that competition has been lacking but that is changing. Wireless ISP&#8217;s are popping up all over the place and this will only continue. Every phone, cable, and DSL provider planning to stay in business are looking at wireless because it will allow them to compete in any location regardless of who owns the copper in the ground. The government could help improve the situation by helping fund wireless start-ups.<br />
If net neutrality passes it will interfere with an ISP&#8217;s ability to manage their network in a way that keeps the network running well. There are perfectly legal applications out there now and most likely many to be invented that allow a individual to negatively impact the network for others in their area. With net neutrality an ISP&#8217;s ability to control these applications would be gone, unless the ISP massively built out their infrastructure &#8211; raising prices.<br />
Also, members of congress have been looking for ways to tax the internet for a long time. I would expect that the more involved they became the more likely it would be that they would find a reason to start taxing it. Just like they did with the PSTN.<br />
As an IT department manager I prefer to see the government stay away from the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: phoenix mattress</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phoenix mattress]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this is a red herring.  leave the internet alone!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is a red herring.  leave the internet alone!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Judd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Judd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris:  Deregulation only works when there is adequate competition to keep prices in check.  That is not what is going on in the ISP business where most places have little to no competition whatsoever at a reasonable price.

Internet access needs to be treated like a utility akin to water, electricity, heating, etc - all industries that are highly regulated if only one provider is available.  For example, I have no choice on where I get my water - none.  It&#039;s a regulated system which is priced by the city and priced as such - they can&#039;t just jack the rates up by 30%.  Of course they probably don&#039;t make much of a profit on Water service, but it&#039;s a necessity that they provide.  As far as ISP&#039;s If I don&#039;t like Comcast&#039;s rate hikes, I can&#039;t really choose the local DSL provider - they are priced exactly the same.  Heck, I can&#039;t even choose another cable company because they don&#039;t operate in my area.  Of course Comcast can just jack up their rates and they don&#039;t really have to worry about loosing customers all that much because there is no other alternative.

If they want deregulation, there has to be provisions for competition.  We did it to the Ma bells back in the day and they are slowing re-forming again.  The telco&#039;s are wanting to have their cake and eat it too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris:  Deregulation only works when there is adequate competition to keep prices in check.  That is not what is going on in the ISP business where most places have little to no competition whatsoever at a reasonable price.</p>
<p>Internet access needs to be treated like a utility akin to water, electricity, heating, etc &#8211; all industries that are highly regulated if only one provider is available.  For example, I have no choice on where I get my water &#8211; none.  It&#8217;s a regulated system which is priced by the city and priced as such &#8211; they can&#8217;t just jack the rates up by 30%.  Of course they probably don&#8217;t make much of a profit on Water service, but it&#8217;s a necessity that they provide.  As far as ISP&#8217;s If I don&#8217;t like Comcast&#8217;s rate hikes, I can&#8217;t really choose the local DSL provider &#8211; they are priced exactly the same.  Heck, I can&#8217;t even choose another cable company because they don&#8217;t operate in my area.  Of course Comcast can just jack up their rates and they don&#8217;t really have to worry about loosing customers all that much because there is no other alternative.</p>
<p>If they want deregulation, there has to be provisions for competition.  We did it to the Ma bells back in the day and they are slowing re-forming again.  The telco&#8217;s are wanting to have their cake and eat it too.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Judd</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/10/20/house-republican-asks-fcc-to-stop-open-internet-vote/comment-page-2/#comment-28368</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Judd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a clarification on Spam - Its not related to the net neutrality debate, because the ISP is not filtering access to email as a protocol - I can access Google&#039;s email equally along side Comcast and Comcast doesn&#039;t treat Google&#039;s email any differently than if I were using GMAIL alone - I have equal access to legit email no matter where I am.  Spam filtering is done on an entirely different level and is primarily controlled by me the end user.  

Take GMAIL for instance - I have complete control over what is marked as Spam and what is not - All that is done on the client software as a service that I agree to by the ISP.  However Google doesn&#039;t just block and never sends email from your neighbor unless you explicitly tell them to mark it as spam and delete it right away.

Network Neutrality isn&#039;t a &quot;everything goes, no rules whatsoever!&quot;.  Nobody is suggesting that at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a clarification on Spam &#8211; Its not related to the net neutrality debate, because the ISP is not filtering access to email as a protocol &#8211; I can access Google&#8217;s email equally along side Comcast and Comcast doesn&#8217;t treat Google&#8217;s email any differently than if I were using GMAIL alone &#8211; I have equal access to legit email no matter where I am.  Spam filtering is done on an entirely different level and is primarily controlled by me the end user.  </p>
<p>Take GMAIL for instance &#8211; I have complete control over what is marked as Spam and what is not &#8211; All that is done on the client software as a service that I agree to by the ISP.  However Google doesn&#8217;t just block and never sends email from your neighbor unless you explicitly tell them to mark it as spam and delete it right away.</p>
<p>Network Neutrality isn&#8217;t a &#8220;everything goes, no rules whatsoever!&#8221;.  Nobody is suggesting that at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HELLO People have we forgotten what the deregulation of the Airlines and Telephone did for the prices we paid for these services. Look up your history of government regulation has cost the American consumer in the past before you assume regulation is a good thing... This article is poorly written and intentionally misleading...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HELLO People have we forgotten what the deregulation of the Airlines and Telephone did for the prices we paid for these services. Look up your history of government regulation has cost the American consumer in the past before you assume regulation is a good thing&#8230; This article is poorly written and intentionally misleading&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Judd</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/10/20/house-republican-asks-fcc-to-stop-open-internet-vote/comment-page-2/#comment-28366</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Judd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John&#039;
Net Neutrality is about access to content.  Span filtering is perfectly allowable under neutrality rules.

As long as it is legal, the customer should have the ability to access it equally no matter who provides the pipe.  Its about network connectivity to content that the customer accesses, not unsolicited emails sent by data services.  Thats the exact reverse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John&#8217;<br />
Net Neutrality is about access to content.  Span filtering is perfectly allowable under neutrality rules.</p>
<p>As long as it is legal, the customer should have the ability to access it equally no matter who provides the pipe.  Its about network connectivity to content that the customer accesses, not unsolicited emails sent by data services.  Thats the exact reverse.</p>
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		<title>By: John Baxter</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/10/20/house-republican-asks-fcc-to-stop-open-internet-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-28362</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Baxter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Carelessly-written net neutrality rules will kill email. Think you get lots of spam now? You only get perhaps 5% of what you would get if blocking became illegal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carelessly-written net neutrality rules will kill email. Think you get lots of spam now? You only get perhaps 5% of what you would get if blocking became illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Franklin</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/10/20/house-republican-asks-fcc-to-stop-open-internet-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-28361</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Franklin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The name &quot;Net Neutrality&quot; sounds great, but when you look behind the scene there is something different. The Govt is pushing this claiming to grant more access, but their real agenda is to do this in the name of Social Justice and will control and regulate content on the internet. They will claim this because of the money that the govt will be putting into the internet. The internet will be owned and operated by the govt. So they will be able to tell us what can and can not be on the internet. So much for free speech. How is this Hope and Change working out for you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The name &#8220;Net Neutrality&#8221; sounds great, but when you look behind the scene there is something different. The Govt is pushing this claiming to grant more access, but their real agenda is to do this in the name of Social Justice and will control and regulate content on the internet. They will claim this because of the money that the govt will be putting into the internet. The internet will be owned and operated by the govt. So they will be able to tell us what can and can not be on the internet. So much for free speech. How is this Hope and Change working out for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Mari Silbey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mari Silbey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard Martin at VON summed up Net Neutrality best. It&#039;s hard to argue that these are the issues we should be addressing.

&quot;There are only two real questions at the heart of the net neutrality debate: How can access providers who are also content suppliers, or have corporate partnerships with content providers, be prevented from favoring their or their partners’ content over outside content? And how will FCC policy insure that ample bandwidth is available so that caps and “reasonable network management” (in Comcast’s Orwellian phrase) is not onerous for the vast majority of end users?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Martin at VON summed up Net Neutrality best. It&#8217;s hard to argue that these are the issues we should be addressing.</p>
<p>&#8220;There are only two real questions at the heart of the net neutrality debate: How can access providers who are also content suppliers, or have corporate partnerships with content providers, be prevented from favoring their or their partners’ content over outside content? And how will FCC policy insure that ample bandwidth is available so that caps and “reasonable network management” (in Comcast’s Orwellian phrase) is not onerous for the vast majority of end users?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Judd</title>
		<link>http://technologizer.com/2009/10/20/house-republican-asks-fcc-to-stop-open-internet-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-28359</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Judd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Annymous:
I never said &quot;no regulation&quot;, however sever aspects of them have faced severe deregulation as far back as 2001.  As far as anti-trust, no, there hasn&#039;t been any real anti-trust cases, but there should be.  The telcos are some of the biggest lobbyists though and they fight tooth and nail to prevent any interference with their companies.  Remember, these issues haven&#039;t been discussed much in the past 8 years, because up until now, the technology has never been out there to make it an abusive system.

Besides, no mention ever gets made to the fact that back in the 90&#039;s, the ISP&#039;s were granted billions under the agreement to lay out fibre across the US, that never happened.  The goverment for years ignored this and they are now starting to pay attention.  It takes alot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annymous:<br />
I never said &#8220;no regulation&#8221;, however sever aspects of them have faced severe deregulation as far back as 2001.  As far as anti-trust, no, there hasn&#8217;t been any real anti-trust cases, but there should be.  The telcos are some of the biggest lobbyists though and they fight tooth and nail to prevent any interference with their companies.  Remember, these issues haven&#8217;t been discussed much in the past 8 years, because up until now, the technology has never been out there to make it an abusive system.</p>
<p>Besides, no mention ever gets made to the fact that back in the 90&#8242;s, the ISP&#8217;s were granted billions under the agreement to lay out fibre across the US, that never happened.  The goverment for years ignored this and they are now starting to pay attention.  It takes alot.</p>
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