Are Macs More Expensive? Round Four: The Skinny on the Mini

The smallest, cheapest Mac takes on three little guys from the Windows world.

By  |  Monday, August 25, 2008 at 12:00 am

Recap time…

I have parity in three categories; the Mini with an advantage in seven, the Dell with an advantage in eight, the HP with an advantage in nine, and the Shuttle with an advantage in just one. As in my other comparisons, I’m not going to try to weight the various categories or declare one machine as being the best-equipped contender. The goal of all this accounting for features is just to get a general sense of how the Mac compares to the Windows boxes.

More on that in a moment. But first, here are the pricetags on the four machines as sold at their manufacturers’ sites in the configurations discussed here:

Mac Mini: $699
Dell Studio Hybrid: $678
HP Pavilion Slimline s3500z: $588.99 (after $50 in “instant savings”)
Shuttle XPC X200H: $980

That’s a surprisingly big price range, but mostly because the Shuttle costs so much more than anyone else; the other three are within $110 of each other. But the most striking thing about the Mini isn’t that it costs a bit more than the Dell or HP–it’s that its 80GB hard disk, combo drive, and lack of a mouse and keyboard make it a bare-bones machine in a way that the other two are not.

Simply put, the Mini is an aging machine offered in aging configurations: Apple hasn’t updated the hardware or changed the price in a year. If it bumped up the size of the hard drive and put a DVD burner in the basic configuration, the Mini would instantly look a lot more competitive. The company also charges too much to go from 1GB to 2GB–$100, versus $45-$50 for the other systems–which also hurts it in this price comparison.

Can you configure a Mini that cuts no corners? Yup–I built one at Apple’s site with a 2-GHz Core 2 Duo, an 8X DVD burner, a 160GB hard drive, and a mouse and keyboard. It cost $1047, taking it far out of the realm of cheap PCs. That version looks good compared to the Shuttle, which is $77 cheaper but has a slower CPU, no mouse and keyboard, and no Wi-Fi. But it’s way more than the Dell or HP. It’s also closing in on iMac territory–and iMacs, of course, include a built-in display as well as better specs in a number of key areas.

So the bottom line on this comparison is fairly straightforward:

“The Mac Mini is ultimately pretty pricey for what you get, although it’s not alone–the Shuttle XPC is even costlier. If you’re looking to something petite and stylish and don’t care whether it runs Windows or OS X, consider the Dell Studio Hybrid. And if you want a Mac, an iMac delivers more bang for the buck than the Mini.”

And here’s one other piece of takeaway that’s emerging from all the Mac-PC price comparisons I’ve done so far:

“Asking whether Macs are more expensive than PCs is kind of like asking whether Volkswagens are more expensive than other cars. The real answer is ‘They’re more expensive than some, and cheaper than others.’ Which means that the question itself is kind of meaningless on some level.”

That doesn’t mean that people are going to stop arguing that Macs are more expensive than PCs, or maintaining that they’re not more expensive. And it doesn’t mean that I’m going to stop doing these comparisons. Stay tuned–at the very least, I’ll return with ones that cover the MacBook Pro and Mac Pro lines. Until then: Comments, please!

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  1. Sterling Johnson Says:
    August 25th, 2008 at 8:05 am

    Hey, very nice job. I found this review very informative. That HP looks really nice for the price to me. I’ve never bought myself a pc. I’ve been a apple//, and mac user since 1982. I was considering a mini to use solely as a home media center. But, that HP’s is really giving me second thoughts about it. Look forward to checking out the rest of your site. By the way, if found the link to this article on the Macsurfer.com site.

  2. David Speiser Says:
    August 25th, 2008 at 9:36 am

    Hey Harry,

    Great review, another excellent edition to the series. Just curious – why wasn’t the Eee Box from ASUS included in the comparison? Are the specs just too far off? The Atom processor is probably not in the same league as what comes stock in the mini, but it seems like a neat device with a related size, form factor and intended use.

    Thanks,

    David

  3. Viswakarma Says:
    August 25th, 2008 at 9:38 am

    A very good and unbiased comparison of “Hardware”. However, hardware alone does not make a “Computer”! At a minimum it should include the operating system and a few basic applications (text editor, web browser, graphics editor, video/audio players etc). A better comparison will be to compare a Macintosh (hardware+Mac OS 10.5+applications) with a Windows machine (hardware(s)+Vista Ultimate+applications).

    Then one can make an well informed decision as to which computer to buy!!!

  4. Al Says:
    August 25th, 2008 at 11:11 am

    Hardware comparisons really aren’t all that useful when every vendor uses mostly the same parts. Cameras, for example, can have equivalent features but vastly different lens glass quality and user input software and controls. The finished product, the actual photo, is the ultimate comparator.

    What makes computer brands different is not the hardware bang for the buck but the user experience. In game consoles, for another example, The Wii, for the most part, has inferior hardware but outsells all others. User experience is paramount there. What good is a hardware rich PS3 with no cool games?

    Hardware comparisons are used only by peddlers of products with poorer user experiences. All iPhone and iPod Killers use hardware comparisons.

    You aren’t trying to make Vista PC’s look more desirable, are you? Accept or decline.

  5. Dave S. Says:
    August 25th, 2008 at 11:12 am

    Great and very thorough review. I agree that the question is ridiculous and most of the debates I get into run straight into fanboy territory, i.e. something like this

    “You just like the Mac because you’re a pompous cool hipster.”
    “Oh yeah, well you use Windows cause you’re slave to Gates, man.”

    Or something equally ridiculous. Overall, I think Mac has done a great thing with their OS, but truthfully they’re hardware costs are way too much for what you get. However, everyone seems to neglect the cost of buying Vista *alone*. For example, Vista Home Premium costs somewhere near $200. Leopard is just $129. And there’s no tiering of features for Apple. This is the kind of simple offering (just like their UI themes) that *keeps* Mac owners loyal. And that’s really what the debate is about, I think. Niche marketing to your fans or making the choice to try to be everything for everybody, which Microsoft will learn the hard way that such a task is impossible.

  6. Gui Says:
    August 29th, 2008 at 7:31 am

    If you did the comparison about a year ago, certainly the Mini would look a lot better. I bought mine about a year ago, and it looked a fairly good choice, compared to the few alternatives I had.

    Really, if Apple really wants the Mini to succeed, they should treat it on equal footing with their other offers. Since the last iteration of the mini was released, the MacBook was updated 3 times, the iMac was updated twice and both the MacBook Pro and the Mac Pro were updated once, not to mention they introduced the new MacBook Air and there are already rumours of a revision. Giving a newer hard drive, slightly faster processor, more RAM and a DVD burner across the line shouldn’t change their price point these days, given their low-end MacBook is barely over a grand.

  7. rufwork Says:
    August 29th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    Fwiw, the Mini will take 3 gigs… actually it’ll take 4, but like every other computer with a non-64 bit processor or a non-64 bit OS, it’ll read less than that.

    Here’s a link to a reputable Mac RAM makin’ company saying the Mini will, in practice, take 3, np:

    http://transintl.com/store/category.cfm?Category=2720&CFID=1065547&CFTOKEN=21002369&RequestTimeOut=500

    Enjoy.

  8. iMe Says:
    September 3rd, 2008 at 6:57 am

    Dave S., what’s the point of comparing the prices of the retail boxed editions of Vista and Leopard? If you’re shopping for a PC with low price or convenience of purchase and set up as one your criteria, you’ll get a PC with Vista pre-installed. If you want to build your own PC or get a manufactured PC without Windows so you can install the OS the way you like, you can’t do the same with OS X (at least not legally or easily).

    If you’re going to install Leopard on a Mac, you’ve already paid for an earlier version of OS X on that Mac.

  9. win32forth Says:
    September 3rd, 2008 at 7:52 am

    Interesting article, and relatively unbiased. Being a Mac use, I am not that unbiased. The most disturbing thing to me, was the attempt to bring all the computers up to your definition of parity, which to me seemed pretty unbalanced. OSX will run reasonably well in 1GB, it might be a bit slow, but for most home users it will still be faster than anything they happen to be upgrading from. Vista will run in 1GB as well, perhaps a bit slowly, but again it should be usable.

    Perhaps the biggest problem I have is that you almost totally ignored the excellent software that the mini comes with, except for the photo editing software you tried to make parity. In my view, none of the PCs (as you configured them) is even remotely configured for parity in the software area. The standard Apple software package including the ability to play DVDs, and music, create and edit music, create web sites, edit and manage photos, maintain your calendar, email client, address book, chat client, CD/DVD burning software, movie and DVD creation software (you need a DVD burner obviously), automatic backup software. yada, yada, yada… Ok, I will stop now.

  10. cielo Says:
    September 9th, 2008 at 4:40 am

    Nice breakdown. I am a mac-mini owner, and I love it. I admit to finding the Dell Hybrid sexy and appealing, but the thought of using windows as my main OS makes me want to vomit. A couple hundred bucks to avoid the Microsoft chain is worth every penny. Shoot, I’d pay a couple grand extra.

    BTW, in the “Bundled Productivity Software” category you introduce the iMac, and fail to mention the mini. I assume this was just a typo.

    Thanks, it was an interesting read.

  11. Henry Says:
    September 25th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    I realize that it doesn’t have the form factor of the others, but consider building a box for your next editions. I was able to get _identical_ stats to the iMac on newegg.com for $793. If you, like me, have a closet full of mice, keyboards and speakers you save $49. If you choose to run Linux (an OS superior to both Vista and Mac OS 10.5 IMO), you can save an additional $165. (Alternatively you can build a hackintosh with Mac OS 10.5 [it should work with these parts] and save $55.) If you trust the power supply that comes with the case then you can save another $36. With these considerations it comes down to only $543 ($644 as Hackintosh)!

  12. Henry Says:
    September 25th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    Sorry for the double posts. My post was rejected and I thought it had to do with length rather than the included URLs. Likewise I posted in the mini article, because I thought the iMac one wasn’t working when I was rejected.

    Woops.

    The part list:
    Western Digital Caviar SE WD3200AAJS 320GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive – OEM

    Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 Wolfdale 2.53GHz 3MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor – Retail

    Acer X203Wbd Black 20″ 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 2500:1 ACM – Retail

    A-DATA 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory – Retail

    Silver Steel MicroATX Mid Tower Computer Case 350W Power Supply – Retail

    Anyware GV-IR01WT Windows Vista Infrared MCE White Learning Remote Control

    SeaSonic SS-300ES 300W ATX12V Ver.2.2 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply – OEM

    LITE-ON Black 16X DVD-ROM 52X CD-R 32X CD-RW 52X CD-ROM SATA Combo – OEM (Better, but actually cheaper than 8x)

    Hercules Deluxe Optical Glass 640 x 480 30 fps USB Interface WebCam – Retail

    OS
    Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit English 1pk DSP OEI DVD for System Builders – OEM

    OR

    APPLE Mac OS X v10.5.4 Leopard (New version) – Retail

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