Windows 7 First Impressions: Hey, This Looks Pretty Good!

A hands-on look at an upgrade that could turn out to be all the things that Vista never was.

By Harry McCracken | Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 9:00 am

10. Peeking through to the desktop. Microsoft is making a fairly big deal out of a new feature that lets you X-ray your way though windows on the desktop to see what’s underneath them. Which is useful to be sure, but you do it by pressing a part of the Taskbar that’s unlabled (intuitive!), and I’m not sure what purpose the outlines of the windows you’re peeking through serve.

11. Sidebar Deep-Sixed. Compared to OS X’s Widgets, the most distinctive about Microsoft’s Gadget applets was that they sat in the Sidebar on the right-hand side of the screen. In W7, the Sidebar is gone–Microsoft says that folks told them it just required too much space. Gadgets now sit directly on the desktop…which they could do even in Vista if you preferred.

12. iTunes compatibility, sort of. Windows Media Player now supports Apple’s two favorite media formats: AAC for audio and H.264 for video. It can also find your iTunes libraries on your network and play back the media they contain. Apple’s FairPlay DRM, of course, is not supported. And for reasons I couldn’t determine, the first video podcast from iTunes I tried watching in WMP looked reasonably crisp in iTunes, and blocky and pixelated in Windows Media Player.

13. Windows Media Player Unplugged. When you right click on a media file in Windows Explorer and use Windows Media Player to play it, WMP launches in a stripped-down mode that doesn’t dominate your desktop. Or you can play media in Windows Explorer’s preview pane and sidestep having to launch WMP at all.

14. Multimedia routing. Windows 7 adds features for shuttling media files from PCs on your home network to streaming devices such as the Sonos multi-room music system. Microsoft says the OS will transcode files as necessary to make your entertainment play on gadgets regardless of whether the gadgets support the file format in question. Sounds intriguing; I look forward to trying it out.

15. Windows that snap. Shove a window over to the far left or far right of the screen, and it’ll snap into place and go into a half-maximized mode that takes up half the screen. Which is intended to help you tile two windows (say, a browser and word processor) so you can work in both of ’em at once.

16. Search everywhere at once. Something called “Search Federation” lets you add multiple computers, networked drives, and Web sites to Windows 7 searches, so your queries go beyond your own machine. Interesting in theory; I need to give it a try.

17. Themes and schemes. I can’t remember the last time that Microsoft made any significant change to the clunky controls used to choose Windows themes–if you told me it’s the same in Vista as it was in Windows 2.0, I’d believe you. In Windows 7, Microsoft provides a nice new Theme chooser that provides full-size previews and lets you save your own custom Themes with a few clicks. That’s good. But it also says it plans to rename Themes as Styles before Windows ships. That’s…kind of pointless.

18. Windows Live, Meet Windows Live. Officially, Windows 7 has shockingly few bundled applets: Its Photo Gallery, Movie Maker, and e-mail apps have been spun off into a set of free downloads called Windows Live Essentials. Except Microsoft says that it hopes PC vendors will include Windows Live Essentials apps preinstalled on Windows machines. And the Windows Live Essentials apps aren’t the same thing as Windows Live services, which are Web-based tools such as Windows Live Hotmail. I like the idea of Windows 7 concentrating on being a good operating system, but I’m still a tad confused here.

19. Paint enters the 21st century. Windows’ Paint–also known as the app that time forgot–gets an actual makeover in Windows 7, with an all-new user interface. Namely the Ribbon from Office 2007. I dig the ribbon, so I guess this is good news…even though I continue to recommend the excellent (and free) Paint.net as a Paint replacement.

20. Touch me. Windows 7 is the first version of Windows with a multi-touch interface that lets you reach out and control the OS with both hands. I remain skeptical about the potential for such an approach changing PCs the way it’s changing phones: At the moment, there are almost no PCs on the market that have the requisite touchscreens. (Two that do: HP’s TouchSmart PC and Dell’s Latitude XT laptop.) And while Microsoft is cleverly giving W7 the ability to tell if you’re using it with a mouse or your fingers and react accordingly–the Start menu will be a skosh bigger if you tap it rather than click it–it’s been less successful in providing compelling examples of why you’d want to use Windows with your hands. Actually, it keeps coming back to the same blah example: You can put multiple fingers on the screen in Paint to draw hair in one fell swoop. Fun? Possibly. Life-changing? You be the judge.

I could go on–there are scads of other things in Windows 7 I haven’t touched on yet. And I will, in future stories. For now, though, I’m curious about your take on W7–and if you’ve got any questions I might be able to answer, feel free to ask ’em. And if you’re not sick of reading my thoughts, check out Fifteen Random Thoughts on Windows Vista.

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Sucks Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 11:05 am

It sucks!

Years behind OSX and Ubuntu and yet to be released in 2011???

Good luck M$, you will really need it

ANON Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 11:50 am

HAve yo tried the Media Center and does it have the same buggy tvpack

Vulpine Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

Personally I think it looks like what Longhorn was intended to be, but was rushed out too soon as Vista.

Taking this into account, I also have to comment that at least some of the new ‘features’ see intended to force the purchase of new hardware/peripherals to take full advantage of them; something I personally don’t appreciate.

Andrew Beery Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

I like the new touch features… I’ve been a Tablet PC user for years and would NOT be without one… to have the OS add touch scrolling and UI tweaks automatically and not have to depend on software vendors to come to the touch party late is a BIG win.

I’m one of the two people in the world who actually love Vista and I suspect I will love W7 even more

Relyt Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

Awesome! Happy to see Vista ‘updated’ – also is there still a My Documents folder – or has libraries replaced it?

ANON Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

@first comment:

Care to expand on your comment and share you’re evident wisdom on OS’s?
oh wait… you typed “M$”, don’t bother after all… *sigh*

Anyways, I agree with you, Vulpine – comparing Vista to Windows 7 seems like comparing Windows 95 with Windows 98SE…

Hell, I’ll upgrade just to FINALLY be able to rearrange the taskbar items!

Nathon Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

OK, my one question. It states this will work with apps that work on Vista. Say I have an old program that works in XP, and hasn’t yet been patched to work with Vista. Doesn’t taht mean I could still have problems, right?

James Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

Windows Vista is totally awesome!

Sammy Shaitan Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

It sucks! Mac OSX and Linux are years ahead of MS and way better. By the way, I didn’t read the whole article or look at the pics but I know it’s going to be bad because MS is always crap.
Mac and Linux is way better – no matter what MS ever does. Even though Mac is good because we don’t expect much out of it (we don’t do anything except creative apps) and use Linux for computer-hacking-nerdy stuff, and people use windows for important things like business apps, games, creative stuff, computer-hacking-0nerdy stuff and everything else, we still say MS sucks because we hate microsoft, just as much as we love playing Halo 3 on our xbox 360’s.
– Sammy

Falcom Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

“It sucks! Mac OSX and Linux are years ahead of MS and way better. By the way, I didn’t read the whole article or look at the pics but I know it’s going to be bad because MS is always crap.
Mac and Linux is way better – no matter what MS ever does. ”

I’m not even going to read your post, I’m going to assume its retarded because everything you post is retarded and there is no chance you could possibly change.

equerry Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

It looks very much like a knock off of OSX – but who cares? From my experience of previous versions of Windows ‘under the hood’ is where the real gremlins lurk. Unless there has been a total rewrite of the underlying architecture – I suspect it is unlikely to be as stable and secure as Unix based OSs.

When will MS wake up to the fact that charging users every 3 or 4 years for a new OS is not going to possible for ever. I have to admit I love my Mac – because it just works.

mindlass Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

Isn’t anyone else but me tired of paying for beta quality softare full of bug?

thehumanyawn Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

@Sammy Shaitan
Everything Microsoft puts out is crap? Then I assume you won’t think much of your Xbox 360 when you hear that Microsoft is the one who makes it, and that you won’t think much of Halo when you hear that it was all done by Microsoft.

Now onto the subject. First of all, I guess that I’m the third person in the world to love Vista, warts and all. And also, I’m glad to see that Microsoft is finally starting to innovate again, rather than copy. However, I’m sure that I’ll miss having the window titles on the taskbar. I’m looking forward to Windows 7, though sometimes I wish we could all go back to the days of Windows 98.

Simon Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 6:42 pm

@thehumanyawn
I to like Vista.

W7 looks pretty promising. I think it will probably be Windows Vista v2 (i.e Vista plus new features and new(ish) ui)

Matt Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 8:00 pm

EVERYONE (who knows anything) knows that mac’s have a Better OS. And look cooler. And are easier to use. But none of those are really useful to me(except the os…). I am not going to spend the same money on a 2.6 ghz mac mini with a 160Gb hard drive as I am for a (self made) Q9300 Gtx280 1Tb raid0. It appears that mac’s are a slightly different demographic than I.

Baggers Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 8:56 pm

As a very happy Ubuntu user I have to say… This looks great!
They may have finally got the idea of not pestering the user. If they can also get the system resource usage back down I’ll be a very happy bunny.
Cant wait to try it out!

Kahos Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

Honestly, i had one issue with vista and it was caused by NVidia, not windows itself.

7 is a refinement of Vista. They released Vista to shake up the market from XP and get developers accustomed to the new frame work of Vista which they had planned to use as the base for all foreseeable windows versions.

Its similar to the Mac10. Apple stole a stable capable OS from Nextstep, called it OS10 and skinned it and refurbished it. They continued interface improvements and patches over time. 7 is similiar except it uses newer code and doesn’t require u to sell a kidney to buy hardware to run it. PS It also has yet to be hacked. The Mac’s have unfortunately gotten notably slower running the newer feature of OS10 Leopard such as time machine and coverflow within the Mac shell. Basically the original Mac/Nextstep OS can no longer handle the workload.

Overall the 7 is shaping up spiffily and i see msoft is taking in a lot of user feed back and focusing on interface improvements at a level beyond skinning (apple) and making the intervface more useful functional and still visually appealing.

freecheese Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 9:58 pm

Haha .. Microsoft is getting close to the desktop dock …

Alex Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

Sammy Shaitan- How is the Mac and Linux better? Well acculy, how is Linux better then windows. Linux is very behind from where windows is today. and i do use Linux. But Windows is still greater. That includes Mac. There is nothing the Mac can do that Windows can’t do.

mindlass- This version of Windows 7 was given for free for the people who went to the PDC. No paying needed.

salome Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 12:14 am

absolutely hate VISTA.
as soon as possible am DOWNGRADING to XP Pro.

Leigh Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 1:02 am

First they “try” to copy OSX with Vista and fail! Now they “try” and copy KDE 4, whats next? “Windows BSD”?

jaime Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 3:40 am

too late…
i told you last year you need to sell all your microsoft stocks, cause you will never get a higher price.
now is just a sharp decline, maybe it wont go bankrupcy, but the price is only getting lower every day.
windows “7” wont make any difference, the real damage from vista will show when microsoft try to sell the new version.
same like with the xbox 360, the real damage for microsoft isnt in this generation… who would buy a new xbox “7”20 at launch, when all the world know that microsoft sold faulty consoles without care… who can be sure microsoft will not do it again… same with windows “7” (7,720 i guess now the retard that put names to microsoft products had a thing with the number 7, too bad they are back to imagination-less numbers, actually they got for the first time a good name with vista, to bad they crap on it)

Eder Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 9:40 am

By 2011 we´ll be using Ubuntu 10.0

bug56 Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 10:43 am

It seems as if Microsoft is attempting to recapture the hearts of those who were disappointed with Vista, but they got it wrong again. We don’t want a better Vista, we want a better XP.

Tcurt Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 11:32 am

Leigh, not to pick nits, but aren’t the underpinnings of OSX BSD? Sounds like Windows BSD would be something a Mac user would applaud, no?
Just chatting here.

Andrew Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

I bought Vista because it was inevitable. As a software developer, you learn to just deal with the fact that new versions come out now and then. You buy the new version and get on with life. That said, I think Windows 7 is a pathetic response to all the whiners in the world.

Windows 7 is for people who think that certain M&M colors taste better. Why isn’t this just a Vista service pack? Because people buy into the Mac ads that say Vista sucks, and then they buy into the MS marketing that says Windows 7 is better.

I have Windows Vista fatigue of a different sort — that of listening to people cry and moan about Vista.

I also think it’s hilarious that one of the “features” of Windows 7 is compatibility with the OS everyone hates.

wcharlson Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

I dont mean to be harsh here but I dont think we are never going to be satisfied with windows no matter what microsoft does. I personally love Vista. I have had very few bugs and thats what matters to me; the fact that I am not constantly having to work on my computer as opposed to with the computer is the biggest win to me. I just want something that works. I dont care about the snazzy stuff but I do like the Homegroup and library idea. Cant wait to use it.

Tom Says:
October 30th, 2008 at 9:55 am

I work in IT and use Vista, XP, Mac OS X and play with Ubunutu at home and honestly there all good but there is still nothing that is perfect, they all have there good points and there flaws. And none of them have the two same flaws so really what we need is a combination of all of them. Im personally looking forward to the Google OS???!!!!

Dave Says:
October 31st, 2008 at 12:45 pm

Falcom – get a life…loser.

Gyula Bognar, Jr. Says:
November 3rd, 2008 at 6:58 pm

Will Windows #? or whatever comes replacing Vista will have a true Desktop and Finder? Will the taskbar be on top as it should have been from day one, 25 years ago? Will there be a shut down, without going to “Start”? Will this be a competent OS and not a repaired Vista? Can Microsoft design intuitive and NON-INTRUSIVE OS? Will the pop-up intrusions, coming constantly and without request, stop altogether? Can Microsoft design any software which does only what the user wants, without the software assuming something and do it anyway, even against the user’s instructions?
If most of these things don’t bother the PC user, then they are a happy Microsoft customer and don’t mind opening a Vista or Office package properly, after spending a half an hour on the Internet to find, read and follow the opening instructions. Way to go Microsoft and let #7 be a lucky number.

Lola Says:
November 6th, 2008 at 6:26 am

I am not a fan of Vista, neither am I going to condemn it – but I am more happy with XP. However if Windows 7 is going to be better version of Vista, I’ll be happy to have a go at it.

pcprofessor Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 6:23 pm

It looks promising, but then you never can tell until you dive in for yourself. I am a fan of Windows XP. I purchased a new laptop and tried Vista and was disappointed. I ended up leaving that partition of my computer alone and installing XP.

I see Vista as a stepping stone though. I figure it’s going to guide M into a greater OS (W7). I look forward to it.

Also,
I am trying to understand why other OS users always have some sophomoric comments. Can there be a more insightful comment than “It Sucks…”.

Francis Panganiban Says:
November 21st, 2008 at 4:44 am

It looks real nice and sleek. Judging by the Windows Explorer screenshots above, it doesn’t look really far from Vista.

I’m somewhat excited to get a hold of it, but I’m quite anxious if my current system can support it.

nikki Says:
November 28th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

I like windows XP…but things can only get better…

Video Games Says:
December 1st, 2008 at 3:02 pm

Looks nice, like they want to be Mac OSX

Hey Guys Says:
December 2nd, 2008 at 8:24 am

Hey guys, I have a solution to all your problems.

To the Microsoft vista lovers…
BUY IT (Windows 7)….There…see…that was easy…

To the Microsoft haters…here’s your answer…
Just DONT BUY IT. There…see…that was easy….its just a popular software product that you DONT even have to buy….

To the Microsoft guys who love XP but dont like windows vista or windows 7
Just DONT BUY IT. There…see…that was easy….its just a popular software product that you DONT even have to buy….

Yonah Says:
December 6th, 2008 at 3:12 am

From the article:

” Windows Vista was one of those Windows upgrades that broke perfectly good applications and drivers with abandon.”

Wrong！ They were not perfectly good applications. Some were poorly designed and did not follow guidelines and specifications recommended by Microsoft, namely not requiring a user with Administrative privileges to run. Another inaccurate article.

Link Life Says:
December 6th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

Looks good, although the idea of Libraries worry me. They’ll be great if they’re done well, but I have the feeling they’ll end up like how the Zune program likes to tell you that it’s smarter than you and change all the info on your songs. It’s the most frustrating thing I’ve ever encountered on a computer. I don’t care what Microsoft says, Linkin Park’s album Hybrid Theory is NOT Metallica’s black album.

If they let the users have some actual input in their Libraries, then it should be great. Having my computer rebel against me, however, is not convenient. It just makes me start thinking about bombs and fire and operating systems being launched into the sun.

Manish Says:
December 9th, 2008 at 10:59 pm

Well Microsoft has to really go a long way to achieve customer satisfaction….hopefully it’ll be better than Vista…but you never know Windows 7 could be yet another boost to apple

DaVince Says:
December 10th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

Looks like Microsoft is back on the right track. I’m sure Windows 7 will be a decent system to work with, especially after their blunder called Windows Vista.

…Of course, I’ll still probably stay a 95% Linux user.

avoidz Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 7:01 am

It’ll be a long time (perhaps never) till there’s anything like as good or long-lasting – and well-liked – as XP has been/is.

TekServer Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 9:15 am

Wow, lots of spam up there.

Personally, I am another Windows XP user. I’ve used Vista, and I don’t care for it. I maintain a virtual machine with Vista installed so that I can tinker with it to help solve problems for customers that ignored my advice and upgraded to Vista.

This article repeatedly stresses that W7 is designed to be an easy and painless upgrade from Vista. But is it an easy and painless upgrade from XP, as Vista was not? If not, at least I hope that it won’t be any more of an ordeal than upgrading from 98 or 2000 to XP was.

My $0.02 worth.

🙂

P.S. for you MS hating MAC/Ubuntu/Linux/whatever users: the fact is that the majority of the worlds computers (especially in businesses) run on Windows. Your whining can’t change that. Use whatever you want to at home, but if you have a job, you will probably be using Windows for a long time to come. That’s reality (an admittedly difficult concept for some of you, I’m sure).

Walter S Says:
December 22nd, 2008 at 10:32 am

I, too, like Vista. So I don’t know where that places me in the list of those who like Vista. I got nearly as many error messages using XP as I did 98, 95…and others. My work PC also gets any number of error messages & the IT team installed XP Professional long ago. My IE hangs and other programs either lock up or drag along. Perhaps some of that is the hardware used, but XP Pro itself is, IMHO, mediocre at best.

My home computer uses Vista Home Premium and I can’t think of any incompatibility issues I’ve run into. Office ’07 runs great. The new Microsoft Mail is way better than Outlook (in either flavor).

My Outlook mail at work doesn’t block any spam no matter how many ways I configure it and junk mail? Forget it.

I imagine the new Windows will make some improvements as is the case with other OS’s. For all those die hard Apple users, Unixers, and Ubuntu freaks, you’re welcome to use them if you prefer. But if you don’t use Vista with any regularity, don’t knock it. I’ve used Apple’s computers and MS types, too, for a number of years. Aside from some minor advantages – I really like Vista.

Pete Says:
December 23rd, 2008 at 1:43 pm

Hey Mac OS X lovers. Do you really like having to use a limited set of software because the software universe writes their code for Windows and then thinks: is there really enough of a market to spend the money to code for a Mac? Or do you like spending what Apple thinks you should pay for hardware, or what the market thinks you should pay (windows)?

As for Linux and UNIX, they are worse from a software and or hardware availability / cost standpoint. I suppose you compare Star Office favorably to MS Office as well. Google Aps anyone?

When you are the dominant platform you are going to have issues of compatibility because you are trying to be all things to all people. And you will have bloat This may be the real problem with Windows vs OS X or UNIX or Linux. It’s trying to embrace the universe of computing and has trouble producing a platform that can do that.

michaelp Says:
December 23rd, 2008 at 4:11 pm

i switched to mac a year ago and never feel like there is limited software. it does _everything_ and i would never switch back

“Pete Says:
December 23rd, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Hey Mac OS X lovers. Do you really like having to use a limited set of software?”

Shahid Bhinder Says:
December 23rd, 2008 at 7:02 pm

I have been running Windows Vista for i year now and I have no issues with it. [ there are ways to tweak Vista to make it run smoothly but people today have no PATIENCES!!!!! ]

I istalled my Windows XP Pro the other day I find that XP has more problems than Vista

I have also tried a Mac with leopard and I find that Steve Jobs does not want you to know too much about your Mac. Also Mac OSX Leopard is not meant for the home user. also Macs get viruses and they freeze and they are more bloated with useless software than PC are

I have also ran Fedora 9 Ubuuntu 8 and OpenSUSE 11 Linux these Open Source software are for people who are running professional security networks in large businesses also Linux is never meant for the home user.

Finally I would not spend MSRP [ Market Stated Retail Price ] $2,500 on a Mac

Ed Says:
December 23rd, 2008 at 11:43 pm

Will the upgade to Windows 7 to those who bought the lousy Vista BE FREE?

Mike Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 12:49 am

Complain complain complain is all these Vista haters do. Like 1 guy here said. No matter what Microsoft would do will help these kids that don’t know what they want in the first place.

I have used Vista Ultimate X64 version of windows since it came out and I have not had 1 single problem with it at all. I built this computer to run Vista X64.

The main reason these kids hate Vista is because they didn’t have enought brains to not try to run Vista on an old out of date computer. Real smart Vista haters trying to run Vista X64 on a computer with 512 of ram.

That took alot of brains. I run 8 Gig of ram myself and Vista X64 runs GREAT with that much ram. Then they bitch about their printer drivers not working. Maybe if you had a printer that uses color ink might work better than a dot matrix.

STOP bitching and try to run Vista on a machine that Vista says to run it on. Vista X64 also runs great on a Intel core 2 quad. STOP trying to run it on a 1.0 Gig CPU also.

My computer is rated in the top 6% in the U.S.A. and the main reason is because of Vista X64. If all these Viats haters want to do is play games then just buy a XBOX and play your little games and stop the Vista banging.

I’m very sure that when indows 7 comes out and has been out for awhile I’ll buy it also. The main reason I build computers is to be FAST and I’m sure that Windows will make My very very fast system even faster.

I have used Vista X64 for a very very long time and I LOVE it. Microsoft is a very good company to deal with and have never had a problem with them either.

Alot of people that say they hate Vista has never even tried it. Whats that say about these Idiots…….LOL.

and Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 3:40 am

Linux has its shortcomings but its a whole lot more stable than any ms thing I’ve ever used. Vista cost me a lot of money in fixing/replacing things, also I bought an expensive base unit with it on which has never been any good.

I’m not even going to lok at 7 because I know for sure it’ll just be another way for ms to act as gatekeeper to my online life.

Don Ross Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 4:23 am

Microsoft is trying “Detroitize” operating systems. We, the buying public are not going to buy this tomfoolery. We don’t need a new model biannually, just offer enhancements that are justified, and we’ll buy them.

If Microsoft tries to force feed us bogus systems, they will find customers leaving in droves.

I just bought a new computer with a clean disc. I installed a legal, out of the box XP. I love it.

If MS keeps this up, my next machine will be an Apple, hands down.

Shawn Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 5:59 am

I get really tired of hearing people whine about this OS and that OS. If you don’t like it, then don’t use it. As far as Vista goes, most of the people who say negative things about it are people who have never even used it and are just repeating what they’ve heard from other people who have never used it.
Any OS will run badly if you install it on a piece of crap computer. All Operating Systems will gradually become more resource hungry as time goes on. And they’re supposed to. This is the 21st Century, where you can pick up 2Gb of RAM for less than $50, an amazingly kick-ass computer (ten times more powerful than the one you bought 3 years ago) for less than $1000 (unless you buy a MAC, in which case you’re paying 3 times that amount for a big box with no buttons). Point? Why would you not want to upgrade your hardware? Do you really want to use your Intel Extreme Graphics chipset forever? Or how about that integrated RealTech sound card? Get a life, spend some money, and stop bitching about the progression of technology.
Windows 7 looks promising. On the other hand, I’ve have not had a single problem with Vista since I bought my computer. Why? Because my computer can handle anything I throw at it (except for a brick, maybe). My computer has never flashed the Blue Screen of Death at me. It knows better. The only time my computer has ever had to be restarted (due to error) was when I tried to upgrade my Apple Quicktime plugin.
On the flipside, I’m not happy with Media Player (I use Winamp and VLC) or IE 7-8 (I use Firefox). Besides these two preferences, the only thing I don’t like about Vista is the fact that no one seems to be able to create any attractive looking themes for it.

Toodles.

Robert Gifford Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 7:52 am

Windows Vista, is like you pay good money, “legal Tender” for
a product, but you get a counterfit piece of crap.
Give me back my money you stole Bommer, but then again I am not
going to hold my breath. You made a Mac man out of me.

john watts Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 9:09 am

wHY DOES EVERYONE WHO WANTS COMMENTS ASSUME THAT WE AL HAVE A HIGH LEVEL OF COMPETENCE SUCH AS LIBERAL USE OF ABBREVIATIONS ETS.mOST OF US ARE SELF TAUGHT AND NEED SIMLICITY.

BaddGuy Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 11:08 am

Windows 95. It took me a week to get my PC to come close to something like working. A blue screen was a signal that I would have to, most likely, reformat.I had to reformat the HD several times during the year. I went with a PC at the time because Mac’s din’t run anything that I needed to use. {MIDI sequencing} MACs were NOT upgradeable.
Windows 98. Same old pile of crap
Windows ME. Always with the blue screen. At least I could get it running again rather easily. I got really psised and when some buddy suggested I upgrade to XP I bit the hook.
Windows XP WORKED!!! suprise of surprises.
However…. NONE of my software worked anymore and the drivers for the recording equipment and video card were were completely nonexistant
{still are}. My recording studio was shut down completely. I lost thousands on software the would never work again. I took the computer and put it out on the curb. Some fool scarffed it up in less than 5 minutes.
I bought an HP with XP on it. I knew enough to only use software that was written AFTER XP came out. Again none of the older software worked.
My only super aggravation with XP is NOT FCUKING RESPONDING!!!!
If I EVER see Bill Gates, on the street… I’ll tear his fcuking head off and siht down his neck!!
I’m gonna stick with XP until I buy a new PC. The KNOWN devil is the easiest devil to deal with.If I EVER put Vista OR Windows 7 on my computer. Bill Gates can rip my head off and siht down MY neck.

Whoopar Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

I didn’t see any icon for control panel in the first page above,and “my computer”was on another page.Hence get rid of windows 7 and develop xp more and make it better.XP LIVES,XP REIGNS SUPREME.

Whoopar Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 12:59 pm

WHY DID THE BOSS CALL IT WINDOWS 7?Why not x7(extra 7 additives?)

Whoopar Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

Well, Harry’s just going to have to convince me of that!

Whoopar Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

When something works ok, it’s like company directors who see the staff enjoying themselves at work, they move them.(Divide and conquer).
It’s the same with engineers at microsoft or any other pc station,they have to change it ,otherwise they get bored working on the same operating system,he!he!

Whoopar Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

Whoopar Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

SAHID HSN’T GOT MY BLOODY MODEM HAS HE?

seremina Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

I use Windows XP regularly. I use Wubi Ubuntu or Damn Small Linux when I feel like enjoying Linux and countless free software. I have enjoyed using really old Mac computers in the past. I have tried Vista and found I did not lke it.

Windows 7 looks interesting. The screenshots are good to look at. It looks like Microsoft is finally making things bigger on the screen for a change. Does that mean it has accessibility features? We may have to wait until it comes out for me to learn this. It would be great if it was capable of handling applications on a cross-platform level or backwards compatibility as far back as Windows 95 [no clue if anybody would want anything older than that to work on it].

Finally, a good part of the revolution would be to standardise Portable apps. Its had a good start, but I’d like to see it grow.

RenoFDL Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

At home Vista serves it’s purpose, for the most part.
At work I had a new machine built w/Vista.Sounds fine?
Nope….I use a sketch file system while developing projects.
XP allowed the user to input any information I chose into certain “Properties” columns I selected. After loading/transfering a hell of a bunch of folders and sub-files…I tried to select and use the same “Properties” columns and guess what? The software witnits fixed the file system! All of the column selection criteria was gone…..the option to select/add/input pertinent data was fixed…errr…gone! I have since removed Vista from the machine and installed XP AGAIN. The file system works as a genuine file system again. With respect to labeling file information Vista is crap. It is not “USER” friendly.

Minzapint Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 8:28 pm

I have too much money invested in software to make the move to MAC or linux … why everyone raves about Ubuntu is beyond me … nice desktop, yes it’s quick and stable BUT where’s the apps to make the PC useful in real life?

Vista is an awful OS – I’ve used it now for about a year and even with the latest patches and bug fixes it’s buggy and liable to crash for no good reason. Even with 4GB of RAM it is hellishly slow unless you have a second or third HDD on which to host the paging file. Having said that it is a nicer environment than XP (which I found to be never particularly stable).

M$ ruined XP in the months leading up to the release of Vista with various patches that hobbled the OS and forced users (me included) to upgrade a PC and get saddled with Vista. I’ve tried running my current desktop (which came with Vista pre-installed) with XP and found it to slow and unresponsive ONCE all the latest OS patches were in place ….
Unless Microsoft hobble Vista like they did XP I won’t be upgrading WinDoze 7 for a good long while … what am I saying of course they’ll f**k up Vista.

Jerad Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 10:15 pm

Is this really worth a new OS? Why not just a Service Pack??? Too few changes to make windows 7 worth anything, mostly cosmetic stuff, no real major changes.

Brian Marshall Says:
December 25th, 2008 at 6:28 am

I like XP Pro it works well for me and that is all that is important!

If the other OS’s work well for others that’s great.

Hope all will experience what they need!

Brian

dave howard Says:
December 27th, 2008 at 10:32 am

User Account Controls? Virtual Folders? “Ownership” of files?Mindless “security” to make it difficult to network? Oh, yeah, you might not have “permission” to use your own computers in your own home. It’s all about taking control of your computer away from the user and giving it to Microsoft. Windows is a monopoly and needs to be broken. Just when XP got reliable they ditch it. Why can’t they continue to ship XP? For those of us with thousands invested in PCs, switching to Mac is impossible. Break up Microsoft!!

pat Says:
December 31st, 2008 at 11:22 am

I don’t think this is “Longhorn”. The underlying OS structure is still there (Windows registry, etc.)

I think I’ll wait for an actual new OS…

Ken Coe Says:
January 2nd, 2009 at 8:25 am

@kahos,

I am not a mac fan, but consider it fair to point out that Apple licensing NEXT from Wozniak and integrating their features is not anywhere near the same thing as Microsoft stealing from another OS.

Now for my .02,

I’ll first admit that I am a dedicated Linux user, and do not use ANY MS products. I do like what I see in visual improvements (although I note that even the author makes fun of the mess with libraries). What I would like to know is more about what’s under the hood. Did the author take a look at the file system management, the way the Kernel (and apps) access the devices and file system, and the nifty new bluetooth features we are hearing so much about? I am rather concerned about whether or not Microsoft is finally addressing the issue of allowing everything to run with escalated privileges.

I am not sure I trust Microsoft to integrate a whole new level of plug and play automation without addressing the already obvious security issues in the current OSes they have. There may be improvement, but I have not heard anything about it in ANY of the reviews which we are seeing.

I happen to agree with many of the comments in that Linux and OSX are light years ahead of Microsoft, but I don’t know how you would gauge that from this article. The advantages that OSX and Linux hold are in security and stability, something which is not addressed in an article that obviously addresses usability improvements.

Mr. McCracken,

Thank you for the look at Windows 7. Please consider following up with a review on how things are working under the hood in this new version.

Dave Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2009 at 8:33 am

Gain without pain? How does complete Vista compatibility improve on Vista’s compatibility problems? To make 7 viable it will need to be compatible with XP applications and drivers, otherwise it will be just as usnstable as Vista. Nobody wants to develop for Vista, because its a pain and always results unstable products anyway (which reflects poorly on the application/hardware vendor). It is currently still a better business plan for developers to only sell to XP users. M$ needs to ditch the Vista kernel completely and return to NT (their only kernel that has ever been worth a damn).

andreyvul Says:
January 4th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

# Eder Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 9:40 am

By 2011 we´ll be using Ubuntu 10.0

Fail.
Ubuntu’s numbering is
.

Scarlet Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 3:47 am

whoever said:

yada yada yada mac mac mac yada yada yada – It Just Works

Quoting Apple’s marketing schemes just tells us all you are a very special person who should be kept away from sharp objects…

Ed Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 8:39 am

I am using Windows 7 Beta right now, and I must say that I have been most impressed by the actual quality of the beta right now. It seems fairly stable and rightfully expected since it is just a tweaking of the Vista kernel rather than a complete rewrite and overhaul of the code. It is everything that Ballmer said that Windows 7 is going to be: fast, reliable (even in its current Beta state, it feels like a finished product already) and absolutely user friendly. Everything that I want in an operating system is going to be Windows 7. I can tell all of you right now that I am going to buy Windows 7 when it finally comes out, because I am so impressed.

George Paul Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

Infact most of the Linux lovers secretly Use Windows! for easiness that I Know

Edward Says:
January 14th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

So far I am liking Windows 7 – I am amazed at how fast it performs on this 2.2GHZ P4 with only 512 MB’s of RAM. – It works faster than XP and is much better looking as well.

My only issue, for me at least, is a full screen flash video will crash into a blue screen of death.

I’m a linux man myself.. but I must give credit where credit is due… Windows 7 is impressive for a BETA…

They should have released this instead of Vista – heck it’s a BETA and except for the video issue it’s much more stable and fast than the production releases of Vista.. hahahaah

Alex Says:
January 20th, 2009 at 8:26 am

Yes, Mac OS is better than Windows… IF you enjoy being treated like an idiot.

Windows 7 looks to have all the simplicity, beauty and usability of a Mac, but without target audience IQ of a raspberry, thank goodness.

Robinson Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

I’ve been using W7 beta for a week now and I’m very impressed by it. It’s nippy, responsive, boots fast, shuts down quickly, doesn’t annoy me with messages, looks and feels great and apart from having to find out where everything is (I’ve been using XP since it was released) I’ve had no problems, issues, breakdowns or annoyances at all (except one, which I think they may fix – Start + E doesn’t open a new explorer window if an instance is already available). When I couple this OS with exciting new developer technologies (.NET, WPF, etc.), it’s going to be an absolute dream to work with.

Microsoft haven’t had a penny of my money for nearly ten years (for any product – not even an OEM payment, because I usually build my own PC’s). If they price 7 right, I’ll gladly hand over some of my hard earned cash for a copy.

Duarte Santos Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 2:41 am

I bought my laptop when some weeks before vista market launch so I my computer came with Windows XP SP2 and with the upgrade vista option.

So I decided to order my Vista cds but never did actually installed because XP after SP3 was so good and stable (and initial experience with Vista at work computer so bad) that I decided not even to give it a try, until last week, because had to format the computer due to a root-kit problem and said “what a heck.. let’s instal vista”..
Huge mistake.. Vista made my computer annoying slow, everything was just so full of trash, I tried to fight it removing all useless processes and stuff but there was no way to make it work right.

So my patient reached it’s limit after a week.. but before returning to XP SP3 decided to give a try to windows 7. And wow! My computer was fast again!

A really smooth experience so far. No driver problems, no software incompatibility, no huge chunks of RAM and processor eaten up, just plain good OS.
As system requirements uses resources almost as light as XP, (not a hungry dog like vista) but looking way better and with some great features! I loved some of it’s new features, it’s all really intuitive. The way you can manage windows and explore your files. It’s definitely a solid OS. Seems Microsoft learned from it’s sins with vista and it’s about to deliver an worthy Xp heir.

Another Mike Says:
February 10th, 2009 at 11:04 am

@Ken Coe: amen about under the hood. I haven’t had the pleasure of Windows 7, but when I say to someone “Windows Vista is years behind OSX/Ubuntu,” I’m not talking about the UI. Does Windows 7 user a new filesystem (the purported WinFS)? New indexing service? New security scheme? Vista was sorely lacking in these areas, especially compared to OSX or Ubuntu.

I’d like to see these questions answered before we start calling Windows 7 a “new” OS. Ripping off KDE’s taskbar and GNOME’s file manager is not something I get excited about. Otherwise its still NT 6.1 to me.

Patrick Says:
February 13th, 2009 at 6:30 am

Hey I really don’t understand why everyone is still complaining about Vista, I mean its like any OS, when its new, there are gonna be some unresolved issues, just like there are with all computer programs, but as of Service Pack 1, nearly all the issues that dogged vista’s reputation at the start were resolved! Windows 7 is just going to turn out like a service pack for Vista that changes the UI and adds a few new features but thats all.

QA Says:
February 17th, 2009 at 5:00 am

I like the way the article starts off saying “even Microsoft itself may be afflicted”…

Generally when you produce a totally suck product, your company feels consequences of it! But, but, but… Micro$oft is a monopoly! It’s unfathomable that they could actually reap consequences from their actions! *grin*

I’m not sure how I feel about Windows 7. I mean, it’s great that they acknowledged that they f****d up and are trying to remedy that… or is it? Personally, I would rather see M$ die in a steaming heap of FAIL and watch Apple become the new standard. So I feel like Windows 7 is sort of a “we’re sorry! don’t leave us!” follow-up for Vista. And it’s only going to renew the legacy of mediocrity that M$ has traditionally enforced.

Think of it this way: Micro$oft is a company that only starts to give a crap about the user when profits start to fall.
Apple on the other hand, prides itself on delivering a consistently solid productivity-oriented OS that goes above and beyond your expectations. I’m not saying Apple is perfect. I’m just saying that when you see M$ copying Apple time and time again (poorly), it becomes obvious who is the real innovator.

JonathanPDX Says:
March 2nd, 2009 at 7:52 am

I didn’t like Vista at first, and there are still some aspects that are annoying, but once all the hardware compatibility problems were ironed out, it’s been running quite well.

Personally, I don’t care if it’s a rip off of Apple or Ubuntu or Shakespeare so long as it works…but if I remember my history, Apple’s O/S was a rip off to begin with, so I guess it’s come full circle.

With Windows 7 (and finally a naming scheme that makes sense) perhaps we’ll see a more stable, user-FRIENDLY O/S that is not only safer to use for beginners, but more tweakable by experienced users who don’t need to be baby-sat through their every action.

Samuel Says:
March 31st, 2009 at 4:26 pm

No option to enable the Classic Start menu is a big issue for me. Otherwise looks good.

Yang Yingo Says:
April 1st, 2009 at 7:23 am

You guys kill me. This is an april fools article.

E. Faber Says:
April 1st, 2009 at 5:18 pm

No, I MUST disagree – Windows-7 SUCKS a BIG ONE!!!!!

You computer geeks need to run REAL programs, run by REAL people/users!

I have had NOTHING but crashed since intalling Win-7 on my system! I run a 3.1GB CPU with 512MB of video, and 4-GB of RAM. XP runs this fine. Win-7 runs slower and with MORE errors and frustrations!

Before MS puts out a beta, they should at least include drivers that are compatible with the programs that are out there on the street already. Come on now, they are available.

Crap. That’s all I have to say.

Developers need to get out of their cubbies and into the real world of computing…there’s a REAL WORLD out there people!!!!

Pissed-off Win-7 Beta Tester

Ron Says:
April 5th, 2009 at 11:46 am

You say that it has little in common with MacOSX, but unfortunately I see the majority of the new features lifted, or inspired, directly from MacOS Leopard.

And, I am not saying this just to be a Windows basher… I use both Windows and Mac extensively, and make my living off of supporting Windows. (That’s not to say I don’t prefer MacOS – which I do, just that I am intimately familiar with both OS’s).

It just bothers me when large corporate giants have to copy other competitors just to stay in the game.

malc Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 5:50 am

uhm… i have vista. and ok the UAC still pisses me off. and the forced things. it will be bad though… because honestly i LOVE the name “vista” it`s kind of “seeing” and now they blocked a lot…

i know it`s stupid to waste time about it`s name but windows 7? not really a good one.. but i hope it could do what vista was supposed to do….

Yaro Says:
April 24th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

I just find it amusing that there are some comments of pro-Windows guys who are utterly clueless. Like “Windows is years ahead of Linux.” That one made me laugh. Both under the hood and in the interface, Linux is at LEAST five years ahead of Windows. Windows doesn’t even have any built-in virtual desktop management, for Christ’s sake. And no decent CLI. Just a DOS-inspired command prompt. Don’t feed me PowerShell, it depends on .NET which is fail for a CLI, which should NEVER have idiot high-level dependencies.

Linux has leapt onto platforms years before Windows has: Itanium? Linux was there before anyone else. Netbooks? Same thing.

The vast majority of the Internet is run on the “obsolete” Linux. Linux has some features Windows is DECADES behind on: Unified file system structure, decent file permissions, a true multi-user system. None of those things are present in Windows.

Heck, I think Windows took a mega-step BACKWARDS by implementing the registry, and practically eschewing the command line completely. A lot of the Windows fanboys don’t realize the sort of power Windows lost by become less CLI-based. I mean IMMENSE power. The sort of automation that is normal in Linux but you will never EVER be able to do in Windows.

Linux actually has USB 3.0 support now, unlike Windows!

If Linux is so “behind” why are companies like IBM phasing out things like AIX for it, huh?

Mac OS X is better than Windows, but I think because they designed it to be an idiot OS, it pales to Linux or even it’s mother-system: BSD.

Reason with me... Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 10:11 pm

C’mon guys! Let’s stop playing the blame game on Vista or Microsoft overall!
Really, I felt the same way when the “NEW” XP OS Came out after Windos ME, I tough, it looks too complicated, to bubbly and all I really want is stability, so I never ended up installing XP. Year 2004 came and I got a new computer with Windows Professional and after that day…I did not sleep. Usless comments about Vista will get you nowhere if you take on negative views, I was one of the first ones to try vista and trust me, my pc went CHINESE CHARACTERS when I installed it. So, I was tripped out by it’s interface and so was my computer and its devices. Now, I own Vista Ultimate on my custom made pc and it is as smooth as glass, I use it for video editing, photographic touch ups and audio recording and its all about upgrading! UPGRADE people but unless you still love IDE 20 GB hardrives! Plus I just recently bough a mac laptop and really, both mac and pc are flawless if you only focus on reading e-mails, some youtube, and doing work on your Computers, if you guys do random stuff with yall’s desktops or pcs or mac’s then heck, you will end up going back to XP! So take it from some one who used 98, ME, XP, Some Longhorn beta tester, Vienna beta Tester, and Vista beta tester, Mac 10 and finaly, Vista Ultimate.

Anonymous Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 10:41 pm

“C’mon guys! Let’s stop playing the blame game on Vista or Microsoft overall!
Really, I felt the same way when the “NEW” XP OS Came out after Windos ME, I tough, it looks too complicated, to bubbly and all I really want is stability, so I never ended up installing XP. Year 2004 came and I got a new computer with Windows Professional and after that day…I did not sleep. Usless comments about Vista will get you nowhere if you take on negative views, I was one of the first ones to try vista and trust me, my pc went CHINESE CHARACTERS when I installed it. So, I was tripped out by it’s interface and so was my computer and its devices. Now, I own Vista Ultimate on my custom made pc and it is as smooth as glass, I use it for video editing, photographic touch ups and audio recording and its all about upgrading! UPGRADE people but unless you still love IDE 20 GB hardrives! Plus I just recently bough a mac laptop and really, both mac and pc are flawless if you only focus on reading e-mails, some youtube, and doing work on your Computers, if you guys do random stuff
with yall’s desktops or pcs or mac’s then heck, you will end up going back to XP! So take it from some one who used 98, ME, XP, Some Longhorn beta tester, Vienna beta Tester, and Vista beta tester, Mac 10 and finaly, Vista Ultimate.”

Oh yes. The key word here is UPGRADE. To do all that stuff with Windows: UPGRADE.

I use Linux. A new version of my distribution comes out and I never have to spend a dime on it. I can do everything Vista “Ultimate” can do and more with the average Linux distribution… and without spending on a monopolistic operating system or “upgrades.”

Case in point: For most machines to run the visual effects of Vista with any measure of decency you need what? 1-2 GiB? And that’s for a measly 5-6 effect compositor.

Look at Linux with Compiz Fusion: It can run, and I mean COMFORTABLY in 512 MiB RAM or less and provides a hell of a lot more than Aero.

Sorry, but I don’t find “upgrades” to be much of a defense for an OS when other OSes can keep up and even outdo it with a fraction of the hardware.

Vista Ultimate? Try Arch.

Anonymous Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 10:45 pm

This is me again, I also note you never once mention having tried Linux. Mac OS X sounds like a great OS, but when it comes down to actually demonstrating real power it falls quite short. When Linux is called to this task, however, it performs above and beyond any other operating system I’ve seen, and I’ve used a lot more operating systems then you have. CP/M or Solaris ring any bells for you?

Trust me, with Linux, I can do more with less hardware requirements for much much cheaper with Linux than Windows will accomplish within the next decade.

alvoryx Says:
May 6th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

there is one thing that people forget when saying vista is crap compared to xp :

the process management..

once vista is loaded for a few minutes, it run’s globaly MUCH faster than xp.. (saying you’ve at least 2gb ram..(since it’s about 30€/28$, unless your living under a bridge (which i doubt since for reading this you got a pc), you should be able to afford it))).

the main problem is that (in my opignion) people talk to much..for nothing 😉

person1 said one day “ow vista what a shit”..person2 hears it and finds it cool..having a drink a few hours later, person2 begin to flame vista with person3, 4 and 5.. and so on

OK, i agree with the fact that there is no reason to upgrade from xp to vista, since the improvements of bill’s last one don’t justify to pay the price, but for gods sake, PLEASE stop opening your mouth (or using your keyboard for nothing, it’s like u prefer) and talk for nothing..

Besides, to all those linux geeks/freaks, If i was bill gates, i would go to such “linux meeting” and offering a few millions $ to some people to come work by microsoft..after that they all said YES MISTER GATES, i would put that freaking video on youtube. so, ONE TIME FOR ALL, the rest of them would have “the grass cut under their feets” and shut up.

Amen me..

billygoat Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 5:22 pm

personally i like vista my friend says that windows 7 is bs he tried the demo version it sucked. on my vista i have encountered hardly any problems. why are people moanning about how bad vista is. if its so bad dont useit!

M T Hadi Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

Just tried the new os – windows 7 – its not that bad, not bad at all – it feels sleeker and leaner than vista – everything that vista should have been – i even managed to install and run a few homebrew software titles with no problems…

Look forward to the full release – not gonna buy it though, just have to wait for the sp2 first…

Andy Says:
August 29th, 2009 at 3:38 am

Jesus wept, MAC, Unix, Linux and every other OS out there shut the hell up will you there is a reason that Microsoft have the predominante operating system in the world and no one and i mean no one even comes close to their market dominance and thats becasue their business plan and hence thier products appeal to the majority of users on this planet its not because or prepackaginf or other nonsense its becasue of the markets perception and ease of use no matter what you say

Economics do not lie Microsoft kicks every other software companies ass every day of every week and untill other companies do the same thing they will continue to do so

Whats best as an OS is irellevant

An Mac users Microsoft owns a satke of apple and apple own a similar stake in Microsoft

This is about business and not software the sooner you realise that the sooner you can get on with using whatever OS you like best and stop whingeing

by the way from my standpoint
XP is ok
Vista Sucks
Mac sucks
Linux Sucks
and Windows 7 well like XP its ok we will have to see how it goes

but Microsoft are more than windows and continue to kick ass in this market and will continue to do so untill someone beats them at their own game

Xbox 720???? people say who would buy it?? it will outsell every console on the market becasue despite its faults the 360 is still the king of consoles the same as windows is the king of OS

Yaro Says:
August 29th, 2009 at 10:30 am

This is probably a troll, but I’ll bite.

Let me start off right off the bat by saying that quantity is by no means an indicator of quality. Quantity only indicates either popularity or dominance. Guess which category Microsoft Windows falls under.

“Jesus wept, MAC, Unix, Linux and every other OS out there shut the hell up will you there is a reason that Microsoft have the predominante operating system in the world and no one and i mean no one even comes close to their market dominance and thats becasue their business plan and hence thier products appeal to the majority of users on this planet its not because or prepackaginf or other nonsense its becasue of the markets perception and ease of use no matter what you say”

The reason Windows became dominant had nothing to do with quality or how much people liked it. It is because of unethical and frequently illegal practices on the part of Microsoft. Be OS, DR-DOS, AmigaOS, and OS/2(Have you even HEARD of these other operating systems? They all started to threaten Microsoft’s illegitimate dominance of the desktop until Microsoft threatened OEMs that considered supporting them.) are examples of operating systems Microsoft buried through strong-arm tactics. Their “business plan” as you put it is based on anti-competitive behavior.

“Economics do not lie Microsoft kicks every other software companies ass every day of every week and untill other companies do the same thing they will continue to do so ”

Microsoft is not “kicking all the other companies” ass. I can name so many other companies that are actually kicking Microsoft’s ass in other markets. In the game console industry right now, Nintendo is thrashing both Microsoft and Sony. In the prior generation, Sony was thrashing Microsoft and Nintendo. Microsoft never became #1 in that market and is still losing money on every console sold. Some “ass kicking” there. On the server market, Linux is king, predated by BSD. Microsoft never had a significant market share that competed with them. On embedded markets and supercomputer markets, Microsoft is almost nonexistent, with Linux dominating. Mobile market is still largely Palm territory, with Android (Holy snot, a Linux!) starting to gain popularity. Windows Mobile is languishing. Or even in your beloved desktop market. Despite still enjoying a dominance, Windows has dropped below 90% market share for the first time since it established said dominance, with Linux adoption rates growing exponentially on the desktop every year since 2003. Give it another decade or so and Windows will no longer be “kicking ass” on the desktop, by Microsoft’s own admission (Their goals for Midori are to replace Windows once that happens, however signs point to Linux taking over, especially with Google about to push Linux hard.).

By the way, quantity does not equate to quality. And the point the anti-Windows people are making have nothing to do with its popularity. Popularity doesn’t make Windows secure, stable, less bloated, or faster. It’s design, something Microsoft has been behind on from the very beginning.

“Whats best as an OS is irellevant”

It is quite relevant. And the IT industry has never believed otherwise. There’s a reason Linux and not Windows is chosen for bona fide mission-critical application, including web servers.

“An Mac users Microsoft owns a satke of apple and apple own a similar stake in Microsoft”

Microsoft has a 10% share of Apple. Apple, last I checked, has no stake in Microsoft. And this is irrelevant to Windows success or quality. I personally think OS X could be much better, but they’re at least up to date with OS design.

“This is about business and not software the sooner you realise that the sooner you can get on with using whatever OS you like best and stop whingeing”

Learn to spell. Sure, it is about business. But Microsoft is not acting like a business, it is acting like a dominion. Businesses actually compete. Dominions dominate.

“by the way from my standpoint
XP is ok
Vista Sucks
Mac sucks
Linux Sucks
and Windows 7 well like XP its ok we will have to see how it goes”

Are you going to give me any relevant information on why Mac or Linux suck? Or are you just going to spout more nonsense about how “popular” Windows is, giving no indication whatsoever to its quality.

“but Microsoft are more than windows and continue to kick ass in this market and will continue to do so untill someone beats them at their own game”

Linux is beginning to, and as I said before, migration FROM Windows is increasing, and Linux adoption has increased exponentially on the desktop year after year since 2003. Microsoft themselves have admitted that Windows will, by the end of the next decade, lose their desktop market dominance and that was the reason they were developing Midori.

“Xbox 720???? people say who would buy it?? it will outsell every console on the market becasue despite its faults the 360 is still the king of consoles the same as windows is the king of OS”

Windows is not king of the OS if it only has dominance of ONE market, grand total, a market it is losing market share on since 2005. And the success (Or lack thereof) of the XBox “720” is irrelevant to Windows 7’s quality or popularity.

Okay, let me put a question to you. Since I can do everything in Windows 7 and more with Linux… and BETTER… give me a reason why I would want to migrate to Win7 if Linux is already giving me everything I want and need with none of the gaping issues of Win7? Can you give another reason besides a badly spelled, grammar deficient fanboy-betraying rant about popularity of Windows or products Microsoft has made that are irrelevant to Windows or the quality (Or lack thereof) of Windows?

Face it, Windows is badly designed, slow, very bloated, insecure, and not-even-remotely standards compliant. And quality is relevant. And people are beginning to notice when they try the alternatives to Windows and migrate away.

And I’ve pointed this out and people have begun to agree, the ONLY reason you’d need or want Windows is gaming, which is a small part of computing and far from a deciding factor of an operating system’s quality or success. Both Linux and Windows are used these days purely for things as web browsing, Facebook, e-mail, and the like, not gaming.

mario Says:
August 31st, 2009 at 7:39 am

Halo was made by Bungie not Microsoft.

Yaro Says:
August 31st, 2009 at 9:13 am

“Halo was made by Bungie not Microsoft.”

At the time the Halo trilogy was made, Bungie was bought out, lock, stock, and barrel, by Microsoft. Thus the employees of Bungie were pretty much employees of Microsoft.

It took the commercial flop of Halo 3 for Microsoft to split Bungie back off as an independent company.

If I recall correctly Bungie DID begin work on Halo maybe a year or so before MS bought them out.

man and van Says:
September 19th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

i have installed windows for testing and i liked is a lot faster and more responsive so i think i will buy it when it comes out

Joe Novais Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 7:17 am

Windows XP? —Nop! I used it but I didn´t like the apps! I came to the conclusion that most of the windows applications are garbage! … lots of viruses and not much help!
Windows Vista? —Please! No!
Windows 7? —Well? May be!…
Wait a minute!… Why should I move to windows if I am so well with Mac! Give me one valid reason but, —who said that we do not have enough applications?— don´t make me laugh!

Ze Novas Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 7:34 am

Windows XP?- Nhe!!! apps are more than 80% garbage!
Windows Vista?! —It doesn´t work! Still lots of viruses and no help!
Windows 7? — May be!
—may what?
—Hey! forget it! —I don´t believe that Microsoft came out with something capable of doing what Leopard does.
men, we have no viruses and, besides doing what mac does it does all good things the other systems do!
who cares about windows?!!!…

Rick Cain Says:
October 21st, 2009 at 2:25 pm

I HATE the new interface. Microsoft has committed the grievous sin of changing how you do things on the desktop instead of adding on to already good ideas.

Ever wonder why a Mac is so easy to use, because after all these years, the basic interface is the same!

Microsoft completely changed the start menu and it is disconcerting at best, difficult to use at worst, and the overly pretty gadgets, flowers, hummingbirds, creepy desktops and bling make it just plain distracting. Do corporate users really want to see a hummingbird on their desktop everytime they shut down their PC?

Aero sucks, it always has sucked. Its not pretty, and its a hideous waste of screen real estate that even in the 1920 x 1200 age, is something that should never be wasted with overly thick window edges and close gadgets that look like they were borrowed from Fisher-Price toys.

Windows 7 is slow. On a quad core intel with 8 gigabytes there is no excuse for it to be slow. There are 10-15 second delays between clicking on something and something actually happening. Thumbnailing is slow even with my Nvidia card that puts out more heat than a foot warmer. The entire GUI feels like it was written in Visual Basic, its that slow.

Gaming: So far only some of my games even work, and anything with copy protection is broken and unusable under Windows 7.

If this is Microsoft’s future of computing, be prepared to pay for a dual processor 8 core system with 32 gigabytes and RAID 10 to compensate for the slowness of the OS.

Filipe Says:
October 27th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

How is this posted tuesday october 28th at 9am??? it’s like 2am? lol am i in the past or something?

billy Says:
November 10th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

I hope 7 is good. I know its already out, but, I have no monies.

I like Macs as well. Except for one or two bugs in Adobe Illustrator, and the fact that some of my software (3ds Max) is not made for Mac, therefore I am locked into being a windows user until those 2 things are met.

Anyway, sorry for the ramble, I used to do Data Entry for Apple, and they PAID for the computers we were working on, and they were Windows. Thought I would share that tidbit with everyone. It tells me this. If you don’t need all the power and overprice of Macs, than a PC is good enough, even Apple agrees.

Anonymous Says:
November 10th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

“If you don’t need all the power and overprice of Macs, than a PC is good enough, even Apple agrees.”

I regret to inform you that compared to PCs, Macs are actually less powerful. Don’t buy the Apple hype.

Of course, you’r enot going to get the most out of a PC’s power with an OS like Windows. Linux and BSD bring about the fullest potential of your hardware much better.

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Sucks Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 11:05 am
It sucks!

Years behind OSX and Ubuntu and yet to be released in 2011???

Good luck M$, you will really need it
ANON Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 11:50 am
HAve yo tried the Media Center and does it have the same buggy tvpack
Vulpine Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Personally I think it looks like what Longhorn was intended to be, but was rushed out too soon as Vista.

Taking this into account, I also have to comment that at least some of the new ‘features’ see intended to force the purchase of new hardware/peripherals to take full advantage of them; something I personally don’t appreciate.
Andrew Beery Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
I like the new touch features… I’ve been a Tablet PC user for years and would NOT be without one… to have the OS add touch scrolling and UI tweaks automatically and not have to depend on software vendors to come to the touch party late is a BIG win.

I’m one of the two people in the world who actually love Vista and I suspect I will love W7 even more
Relyt Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Awesome! Happy to see Vista ‘updated’ – also is there still a My Documents folder – or has libraries replaced it?
ANON Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
@first comment:

Care to expand on your comment and share you’re evident wisdom on OS’s?
oh wait… you typed “M$”, don’t bother after all… *sigh*

Anyways, I agree with you, Vulpine – comparing Vista to Windows 7 seems like comparing Windows 95 with Windows 98SE…

Hell, I’ll upgrade just to FINALLY be able to rearrange the taskbar items!
Nathon Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
OK, my one question. It states this will work with apps that work on Vista. Say I have an old program that works in XP, and hasn’t yet been patched to work with Vista. Doesn’t taht mean I could still have problems, right?
James Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Windows Vista is totally awesome!
Sammy Shaitan Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
It sucks! Mac OSX and Linux are years ahead of MS and way better. By the way, I didn’t read the whole article or look at the pics but I know it’s going to be bad because MS is always crap.
Mac and Linux is way better – no matter what MS ever does. Even though Mac is good because we don’t expect much out of it (we don’t do anything except creative apps) and use Linux for computer-hacking-nerdy stuff, and people use windows for important things like business apps, games, creative stuff, computer-hacking-0nerdy stuff and everything else, we still say MS sucks because we hate microsoft, just as much as we love playing Halo 3 on our xbox 360’s.
– Sammy
Falcom Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
“It sucks! Mac OSX and Linux are years ahead of MS and way better. By the way, I didn’t read the whole article or look at the pics but I know it’s going to be bad because MS is always crap.
Mac and Linux is way better – no matter what MS ever does. ”

I’m not even going to read your post, I’m going to assume its retarded because everything you post is retarded and there is no chance you could possibly change.
equerry Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
It looks very much like a knock off of OSX – but who cares? From my experience of previous versions of Windows ‘under the hood’ is where the real gremlins lurk. Unless there has been a total rewrite of the underlying architecture – I suspect it is unlikely to be as stable and secure as Unix based OSs.

When will MS wake up to the fact that charging users every 3 or 4 years for a new OS is not going to possible for ever. I have to admit I love my Mac – because it just works.
mindlass Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Isn’t anyone else but me tired of paying for beta quality softare full of bug?
thehumanyawn Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
@Sammy Shaitan
Everything Microsoft puts out is crap? Then I assume you won’t think much of your Xbox 360 when you hear that Microsoft is the one who makes it, and that you won’t think much of Halo when you hear that it was all done by Microsoft.

Now onto the subject. First of all, I guess that I’m the third person in the world to love Vista, warts and all. And also, I’m glad to see that Microsoft is finally starting to innovate again, rather than copy. However, I’m sure that I’ll miss having the window titles on the taskbar. I’m looking forward to Windows 7, though sometimes I wish we could all go back to the days of Windows 98.
Simon Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
@thehumanyawn
I to like Vista.

W7 looks pretty promising. I think it will probably be Windows Vista v2 (i.e Vista plus new features and new(ish) ui)
Matt Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
EVERYONE (who knows anything) knows that mac’s have a Better OS. And look cooler. And are easier to use. But none of those are really useful to me(except the os…). I am not going to spend the same money on a 2.6 ghz mac mini with a 160Gb hard drive as I am for a (self made) Q9300 Gtx280 1Tb raid0. It appears that mac’s are a slightly different demographic than I.
Baggers Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
As a very happy Ubuntu user I have to say… This looks great!
They may have finally got the idea of not pestering the user. If they can also get the system resource usage back down I’ll be a very happy bunny.
Cant wait to try it out!
Kahos Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Honestly, i had one issue with vista and it was caused by NVidia, not windows itself.

7 is a refinement of Vista. They released Vista to shake up the market from XP and get developers accustomed to the new frame work of Vista which they had planned to use as the base for all foreseeable windows versions.

Its similar to the Mac10. Apple stole a stable capable OS from Nextstep, called it OS10 and skinned it and refurbished it. They continued interface improvements and patches over time. 7 is similiar except it uses newer code and doesn’t require u to sell a kidney to buy hardware to run it. PS It also has yet to be hacked. The Mac’s have unfortunately gotten notably slower running the newer feature of OS10 Leopard such as time machine and coverflow within the Mac shell. Basically the original Mac/Nextstep OS can no longer handle the workload.

Overall the 7 is shaping up spiffily and i see msoft is taking in a lot of user feed back and focusing on interface improvements at a level beyond skinning (apple) and making the intervface more useful functional and still visually appealing.
freecheese Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Haha .. Microsoft is getting close to the desktop dock …
Alex Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Sammy Shaitan- How is the Mac and Linux better? Well acculy, how is Linux better then windows. Linux is very behind from where windows is today. and i do use Linux. But Windows is still greater. That includes Mac. There is nothing the Mac can do that Windows can’t do.

mindlass- This version of Windows 7 was given for free for the people who went to the PDC. No paying needed.
salome Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 12:14 am
absolutely hate VISTA.
as soon as possible am DOWNGRADING to XP Pro.
Leigh Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 1:02 am
First they “try” to copy OSX with Vista and fail! Now they “try” and copy KDE 4, whats next? “Windows BSD”?
jaime Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 3:40 am
too late…
i told you last year you need to sell all your microsoft stocks, cause you will never get a higher price.
now is just a sharp decline, maybe it wont go bankrupcy, but the price is only getting lower every day.
windows “7” wont make any difference, the real damage from vista will show when microsoft try to sell the new version.
same like with the xbox 360, the real damage for microsoft isnt in this generation… who would buy a new xbox “7”20 at launch, when all the world know that microsoft sold faulty consoles without care… who can be sure microsoft will not do it again… same with windows “7” (7,720 i guess now the retard that put names to microsoft products had a thing with the number 7, too bad they are back to imagination-less numbers, actually they got for the first time a good name with vista, to bad they crap on it)
Eder Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 9:40 am
By 2011 we´ll be using Ubuntu 10.0
bug56 Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 10:43 am
It seems as if Microsoft is attempting to recapture the hearts of those who were disappointed with Vista, but they got it wrong again. We don’t want a better Vista, we want a better XP.
Tcurt Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Leigh, not to pick nits, but aren’t the underpinnings of OSX BSD? Sounds like Windows BSD would be something a Mac user would applaud, no?
Just chatting here.
Andrew Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
I bought Vista because it was inevitable. As a software developer, you learn to just deal with the fact that new versions come out now and then. You buy the new version and get on with life. That said, I think Windows 7 is a pathetic response to all the whiners in the world.

Windows 7 is for people who think that certain M&M colors taste better. Why isn’t this just a Vista service pack? Because people buy into the Mac ads that say Vista sucks, and then they buy into the MS marketing that says Windows 7 is better.

I have Windows Vista fatigue of a different sort — that of listening to people cry and moan about Vista.

I also think it’s hilarious that one of the “features” of Windows 7 is compatibility with the OS everyone hates.
wcharlson Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
I dont mean to be harsh here but I dont think we are never going to be satisfied with windows no matter what microsoft does. I personally love Vista. I have had very few bugs and thats what matters to me; the fact that I am not constantly having to work on my computer as opposed to with the computer is the biggest win to me. I just want something that works. I dont care about the snazzy stuff but I do like the Homegroup and library idea. Cant wait to use it.
Tom Says:
October 30th, 2008 at 9:55 am
I work in IT and use Vista, XP, Mac OS X and play with Ubunutu at home and honestly there all good but there is still nothing that is perfect, they all have there good points and there flaws. And none of them have the two same flaws so really what we need is a combination of all of them. Im personally looking forward to the Google OS???!!!!
Dave Says:
October 31st, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Falcom – get a life…loser.
Gyula Bognar, Jr. Says:
November 3rd, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Will Windows #? or whatever comes replacing Vista will have a true Desktop and Finder? Will the taskbar be on top as it should have been from day one, 25 years ago? Will there be a shut down, without going to “Start”? Will this be a competent OS and not a repaired Vista? Can Microsoft design intuitive and NON-INTRUSIVE OS? Will the pop-up intrusions, coming constantly and without request, stop altogether? Can Microsoft design any software which does only what the user wants, without the software assuming something and do it anyway, even against the user’s instructions?
If most of these things don’t bother the PC user, then they are a happy Microsoft customer and don’t mind opening a Vista or Office package properly, after spending a half an hour on the Internet to find, read and follow the opening instructions. Way to go Microsoft and let #7 be a lucky number.
Lola Says:
November 6th, 2008 at 6:26 am
I am not a fan of Vista, neither am I going to condemn it – but I am more happy with XP. However if Windows 7 is going to be better version of Vista, I’ll be happy to have a go at it.
pcprofessor Says:
November 12th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
It looks promising, but then you never can tell until you dive in for yourself. I am a fan of Windows XP. I purchased a new laptop and tried Vista and was disappointed. I ended up leaving that partition of my computer alone and installing XP.

I see Vista as a stepping stone though. I figure it’s going to guide M into a greater OS (W7). I look forward to it.

Also,
I am trying to understand why other OS users always have some sophomoric comments. Can there be a more insightful comment than “It Sucks…”.
Francis Panganiban Says:
November 21st, 2008 at 4:44 am
It looks real nice and sleek. Judging by the Windows Explorer screenshots above, it doesn’t look really far from Vista.

I’m somewhat excited to get a hold of it, but I’m quite anxious if my current system can support it.
nikki Says:
November 28th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
I like windows XP…but things can only get better…
Video Games Says:
December 1st, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Looks nice, like they want to be Mac OSX
Hey Guys Says:
December 2nd, 2008 at 8:24 am
Hey guys, I have a solution to all your problems.

To the Microsoft vista lovers…
BUY IT (Windows 7)….There…see…that was easy…

To the Microsoft haters…here’s your answer…
Just DONT BUY IT. There…see…that was easy….its just a popular software product that you DONT even have to buy….

To the Microsoft guys who love XP but dont like windows vista or windows 7
Just DONT BUY IT. There…see…that was easy….its just a popular software product that you DONT even have to buy….
Yonah Says:
December 6th, 2008 at 3:12 am
From the article:

” Windows Vista was one of those Windows upgrades that broke perfectly good applications and drivers with abandon.”

Wrong！ They were not perfectly good applications. Some were poorly designed and did not follow guidelines and specifications recommended by Microsoft, namely not requiring a user with Administrative privileges to run. Another inaccurate article.
Link Life Says:
December 6th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Looks good, although the idea of Libraries worry me. They’ll be great if they’re done well, but I have the feeling they’ll end up like how the Zune program likes to tell you that it’s smarter than you and change all the info on your songs. It’s the most frustrating thing I’ve ever encountered on a computer. I don’t care what Microsoft says, Linkin Park’s album Hybrid Theory is NOT Metallica’s black album.

If they let the users have some actual input in their Libraries, then it should be great. Having my computer rebel against me, however, is not convenient. It just makes me start thinking about bombs and fire and operating systems being launched into the sun.
Manish Says:
December 9th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
Well Microsoft has to really go a long way to achieve customer satisfaction….hopefully it’ll be better than Vista…but you never know Windows 7 could be yet another boost to apple
DaVince Says:
December 10th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Looks like Microsoft is back on the right track. I’m sure Windows 7 will be a decent system to work with, especially after their blunder called Windows Vista.

…Of course, I’ll still probably stay a 95% Linux user.
avoidz Says:
December 14th, 2008 at 7:01 am
It’ll be a long time (perhaps never) till there’s anything like as good or long-lasting – and well-liked – as XP has been/is.
TekServer Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Wow, lots of spam up there.

Personally, I am another Windows XP user. I’ve used Vista, and I don’t care for it. I maintain a virtual machine with Vista installed so that I can tinker with it to help solve problems for customers that ignored my advice and upgraded to Vista.

This article repeatedly stresses that W7 is designed to be an easy and painless upgrade from Vista. But is it an easy and painless upgrade from XP, as Vista was not? If not, at least I hope that it won’t be any more of an ordeal than upgrading from 98 or 2000 to XP was.

My $0.02 worth.

🙂

P.S. for you MS hating MAC/Ubuntu/Linux/whatever users: the fact is that the majority of the worlds computers (especially in businesses) run on Windows. Your whining can’t change that. Use whatever you want to at home, but if you have a job, you will probably be using Windows for a long time to come. That’s reality (an admittedly difficult concept for some of you, I’m sure).
Walter S Says:
December 22nd, 2008 at 10:32 am
I, too, like Vista. So I don’t know where that places me in the list of those who like Vista. I got nearly as many error messages using XP as I did 98, 95…and others. My work PC also gets any number of error messages & the IT team installed XP Professional long ago. My IE hangs and other programs either lock up or drag along. Perhaps some of that is the hardware used, but XP Pro itself is, IMHO, mediocre at best.

My home computer uses Vista Home Premium and I can’t think of any incompatibility issues I’ve run into. Office ’07 runs great. The new Microsoft Mail is way better than Outlook (in either flavor).

My Outlook mail at work doesn’t block any spam no matter how many ways I configure it and junk mail? Forget it.

I imagine the new Windows will make some improvements as is the case with other OS’s. For all those die hard Apple users, Unixers, and Ubuntu freaks, you’re welcome to use them if you prefer. But if you don’t use Vista with any regularity, don’t knock it. I’ve used Apple’s computers and MS types, too, for a number of years. Aside from some minor advantages – I really like Vista.
Pete Says:
December 23rd, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Hey Mac OS X lovers. Do you really like having to use a limited set of software because the software universe writes their code for Windows and then thinks: is there really enough of a market to spend the money to code for a Mac? Or do you like spending what Apple thinks you should pay for hardware, or what the market thinks you should pay (windows)?

As for Linux and UNIX, they are worse from a software and or hardware availability / cost standpoint. I suppose you compare Star Office favorably to MS Office as well. Google Aps anyone?

When you are the dominant platform you are going to have issues of compatibility because you are trying to be all things to all people. And you will have bloat This may be the real problem with Windows vs OS X or UNIX or Linux. It’s trying to embrace the universe of computing and has trouble producing a platform that can do that.
michaelp Says:
December 23rd, 2008 at 4:11 pm
i switched to mac a year ago and never feel like there is limited software. it does _everything_ and i would never switch back

“Pete Says:
December 23rd, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Hey Mac OS X lovers. Do you really like having to use a limited set of software?”
Shahid Bhinder Says:
December 23rd, 2008 at 7:02 pm
I have been running Windows Vista for i year now and I have no issues with it. [ there are ways to tweak Vista to make it run smoothly but people today have no PATIENCES!!!!! ]

I istalled my Windows XP Pro the other day I find that XP has more problems than Vista

I have also tried a Mac with leopard and I find that Steve Jobs does not want you to know too much about your Mac. Also Mac OSX Leopard is not meant for the home user. also Macs get viruses and they freeze and they are more bloated with useless software than PC are

I have also ran Fedora 9 Ubuuntu 8 and OpenSUSE 11 Linux these Open Source software are for people who are running professional security networks in large businesses also Linux is never meant for the home user.

Finally I would not spend MSRP [ Market Stated Retail Price ] $2,500 on a Mac
Ed Says:
December 23rd, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Will the upgade to Windows 7 to those who bought the lousy Vista BE FREE?
Mike Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 12:49 am
Complain complain complain is all these Vista haters do. Like 1 guy here said. No matter what Microsoft would do will help these kids that don’t know what they want in the first place.

I have used Vista Ultimate X64 version of windows since it came out and I have not had 1 single problem with it at all. I built this computer to run Vista X64.

The main reason these kids hate Vista is because they didn’t have enought brains to not try to run Vista on an old out of date computer. Real smart Vista haters trying to run Vista X64 on a computer with 512 of ram.

That took alot of brains. I run 8 Gig of ram myself and Vista X64 runs GREAT with that much ram. Then they bitch about their printer drivers not working. Maybe if you had a printer that uses color ink might work better than a dot matrix.

STOP bitching and try to run Vista on a machine that Vista says to run it on. Vista X64 also runs great on a Intel core 2 quad. STOP trying to run it on a 1.0 Gig CPU also.

My computer is rated in the top 6% in the U.S.A. and the main reason is because of Vista X64. If all these Viats haters want to do is play games then just buy a XBOX and play your little games and stop the Vista banging.

I’m very sure that when indows 7 comes out and has been out for awhile I’ll buy it also. The main reason I build computers is to be FAST and I’m sure that Windows will make My very very fast system even faster.

I have used Vista X64 for a very very long time and I LOVE it. Microsoft is a very good company to deal with and have never had a problem with them either.

Alot of people that say they hate Vista has never even tried it. Whats that say about these Idiots…….LOL.
and Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 3:40 am
Linux has its shortcomings but its a whole lot more stable than any ms thing I’ve ever used. Vista cost me a lot of money in fixing/replacing things, also I bought an expensive base unit with it on which has never been any good.

I’m not even going to lok at 7 because I know for sure it’ll just be another way for ms to act as gatekeeper to my online life.
Don Ross Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 4:23 am
Microsoft is trying “Detroitize” operating systems. We, the buying public are not going to buy this tomfoolery. We don’t need a new model biannually, just offer enhancements that are justified, and we’ll buy them.

If Microsoft tries to force feed us bogus systems, they will find customers leaving in droves.

I just bought a new computer with a clean disc. I installed a legal, out of the box XP. I love it.

If MS keeps this up, my next machine will be an Apple, hands down.
Shawn Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 5:59 am
I get really tired of hearing people whine about this OS and that OS. If you don’t like it, then don’t use it. As far as Vista goes, most of the people who say negative things about it are people who have never even used it and are just repeating what they’ve heard from other people who have never used it.
Any OS will run badly if you install it on a piece of crap computer. All Operating Systems will gradually become more resource hungry as time goes on. And they’re supposed to. This is the 21st Century, where you can pick up 2Gb of RAM for less than $50, an amazingly kick-ass computer (ten times more powerful than the one you bought 3 years ago) for less than $1000 (unless you buy a MAC, in which case you’re paying 3 times that amount for a big box with no buttons). Point? Why would you not want to upgrade your hardware? Do you really want to use your Intel Extreme Graphics chipset forever? Or how about that integrated RealTech sound card? Get a life, spend some money, and stop bitching about the progression of technology.
Windows 7 looks promising. On the other hand, I’ve have not had a single problem with Vista since I bought my computer. Why? Because my computer can handle anything I throw at it (except for a brick, maybe). My computer has never flashed the Blue Screen of Death at me. It knows better. The only time my computer has ever had to be restarted (due to error) was when I tried to upgrade my Apple Quicktime plugin.
On the flipside, I’m not happy with Media Player (I use Winamp and VLC) or IE 7-8 (I use Firefox). Besides these two preferences, the only thing I don’t like about Vista is the fact that no one seems to be able to create any attractive looking themes for it.

Toodles.
Robert Gifford Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 7:52 am
Windows Vista, is like you pay good money, “legal Tender” for
a product, but you get a counterfit piece of crap.
Give me back my money you stole Bommer, but then again I am not
going to hold my breath. You made a Mac man out of me.
john watts Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 9:09 am
wHY DOES EVERYONE WHO WANTS COMMENTS ASSUME THAT WE AL HAVE A HIGH LEVEL OF COMPETENCE SUCH AS LIBERAL USE OF ABBREVIATIONS ETS.mOST OF US ARE SELF TAUGHT AND NEED SIMLICITY.
BaddGuy Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Windows 95. It took me a week to get my PC to come close to something like working. A blue screen was a signal that I would have to, most likely, reformat.I had to reformat the HD several times during the year. I went with a PC at the time because Mac’s din’t run anything that I needed to use. {MIDI sequencing} MACs were NOT upgradeable.
Windows 98. Same old pile of crap
Windows ME. Always with the blue screen. At least I could get it running again rather easily. I got really psised and when some buddy suggested I upgrade to XP I bit the hook.
Windows XP WORKED!!! suprise of surprises.
However…. NONE of my software worked anymore and the drivers for the recording equipment and video card were were completely nonexistant
{still are}. My recording studio was shut down completely. I lost thousands on software the would never work again. I took the computer and put it out on the curb. Some fool scarffed it up in less than 5 minutes.
I bought an HP with XP on it. I knew enough to only use software that was written AFTER XP came out. Again none of the older software worked.
My only super aggravation with XP is NOT FCUKING RESPONDING!!!!
If I EVER see Bill Gates, on the street… I’ll tear his fcuking head off and siht down his neck!!
I’m gonna stick with XP until I buy a new PC. The KNOWN devil is the easiest devil to deal with.If I EVER put Vista OR Windows 7 on my computer. Bill Gates can rip my head off and siht down MY neck.
Whoopar Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
I didn’t see any icon for control panel in the first page above,and “my computer”was on another page.Hence get rid of windows 7 and develop xp more and make it better.XP LIVES,XP REIGNS SUPREME.
Whoopar Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
WHY DID THE BOSS CALL IT WINDOWS 7?Why not x7(extra 7 additives?)
Whoopar Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Well, Harry’s just going to have to convince me of that!
Whoopar Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
When something works ok, it’s like company directors who see the staff enjoying themselves at work, they move them.(Divide and conquer).
It’s the same with engineers at microsoft or any other pc station,they have to change it ,otherwise they get bored working on the same operating system,he!he!
Whoopar Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
When something works ok, it’s like company directors who see the staff enjoying themselves at work, they move them.(Divide and conquer).
It’s the same with engineers at microsoft or any other pc station,they have to change it ,otherwise they get bored working on the same operating system,he!he!…..They go xp crosseyed. MERRY CHRISTMAS.
Whoopar Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
SAHID HSN’T GOT MY BLOODY MODEM HAS HE?
seremina Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
I use Windows XP regularly. I use Wubi Ubuntu or Damn Small Linux when I feel like enjoying Linux and countless free software. I have enjoyed using really old Mac computers in the past. I have tried Vista and found I did not lke it.

Windows 7 looks interesting. The screenshots are good to look at. It looks like Microsoft is finally making things bigger on the screen for a change. Does that mean it has accessibility features? We may have to wait until it comes out for me to learn this. It would be great if it was capable of handling applications on a cross-platform level or backwards compatibility as far back as Windows 95 [no clue if anybody would want anything older than that to work on it].

Finally, a good part of the revolution would be to standardise Portable apps. Its had a good start, but I’d like to see it grow.
RenoFDL Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
At home Vista serves it’s purpose, for the most part.
At work I had a new machine built w/Vista.Sounds fine?
Nope….I use a sketch file system while developing projects.
XP allowed the user to input any information I chose into certain “Properties” columns I selected. After loading/transfering a hell of a bunch of folders and sub-files…I tried to select and use the same “Properties” columns and guess what? The software witnits fixed the file system! All of the column selection criteria was gone…..the option to select/add/input pertinent data was fixed…errr…gone! I have since removed Vista from the machine and installed XP AGAIN. The file system works as a genuine file system again. With respect to labeling file information Vista is crap. It is not “USER” friendly.
Minzapint Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
I have too much money invested in software to make the move to MAC or linux … why everyone raves about Ubuntu is beyond me … nice desktop, yes it’s quick and stable BUT where’s the apps to make the PC useful in real life?

Vista is an awful OS – I’ve used it now for about a year and even with the latest patches and bug fixes it’s buggy and liable to crash for no good reason. Even with 4GB of RAM it is hellishly slow unless you have a second or third HDD on which to host the paging file. Having said that it is a nicer environment than XP (which I found to be never particularly stable).

M$ ruined XP in the months leading up to the release of Vista with various patches that hobbled the OS and forced users (me included) to upgrade a PC and get saddled with Vista. I’ve tried running my current desktop (which came with Vista pre-installed) with XP and found it to slow and unresponsive ONCE all the latest OS patches were in place ….
Unless Microsoft hobble Vista like they did XP I won’t be upgrading WinDoze 7 for a good long while … what am I saying of course they’ll f**k up Vista.
Jerad Says:
December 24th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Is this really worth a new OS? Why not just a Service Pack??? Too few changes to make windows 7 worth anything, mostly cosmetic stuff, no real major changes.
Brian Marshall Says:
December 25th, 2008 at 6:28 am
I like XP Pro it works well for me and that is all that is important!

If the other OS’s work well for others that’s great.

Hope all will experience what they need!

Brian
dave howard Says:
December 27th, 2008 at 10:32 am
User Account Controls? Virtual Folders? “Ownership” of files?Mindless “security” to make it difficult to network? Oh, yeah, you might not have “permission” to use your own computers in your own home. It’s all about taking control of your computer away from the user and giving it to Microsoft. Windows is a monopoly and needs to be broken. Just when XP got reliable they ditch it. Why can’t they continue to ship XP? For those of us with thousands invested in PCs, switching to Mac is impossible. Break up Microsoft!!
pat Says:
December 31st, 2008 at 11:22 am
I don’t think this is “Longhorn”. The underlying OS structure is still there (Windows registry, etc.)

I think I’ll wait for an actual new OS…
Ken Coe Says:
January 2nd, 2009 at 8:25 am
@kahos,

I am not a mac fan, but consider it fair to point out that Apple licensing NEXT from Wozniak and integrating their features is not anywhere near the same thing as Microsoft stealing from another OS.

Now for my .02,

I’ll first admit that I am a dedicated Linux user, and do not use ANY MS products. I do like what I see in visual improvements (although I note that even the author makes fun of the mess with libraries). What I would like to know is more about what’s under the hood. Did the author take a look at the file system management, the way the Kernel (and apps) access the devices and file system, and the nifty new bluetooth features we are hearing so much about? I am rather concerned about whether or not Microsoft is finally addressing the issue of allowing everything to run with escalated privileges.

I am not sure I trust Microsoft to integrate a whole new level of plug and play automation without addressing the already obvious security issues in the current OSes they have. There may be improvement, but I have not heard anything about it in ANY of the reviews which we are seeing.

I happen to agree with many of the comments in that Linux and OSX are light years ahead of Microsoft, but I don’t know how you would gauge that from this article. The advantages that OSX and Linux hold are in security and stability, something which is not addressed in an article that obviously addresses usability improvements.

Mr. McCracken,

Thank you for the look at Windows 7. Please consider following up with a review on how things are working under the hood in this new version.
Dave Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2009 at 8:33 am
Gain without pain? How does complete Vista compatibility improve on Vista’s compatibility problems? To make 7 viable it will need to be compatible with XP applications and drivers, otherwise it will be just as usnstable as Vista. Nobody wants to develop for Vista, because its a pain and always results unstable products anyway (which reflects poorly on the application/hardware vendor). It is currently still a better business plan for developers to only sell to XP users. M$ needs to ditch the Vista kernel completely and return to NT (their only kernel that has ever been worth a damn).
andreyvul Says:
January 4th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
# Eder Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 9:40 am

By 2011 we´ll be using Ubuntu 10.0

Fail.
Ubuntu’s numbering is
.
Scarlet Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 3:47 am
whoever said:

yada yada yada mac mac mac yada yada yada – It Just Works

Quoting Apple’s marketing schemes just tells us all you are a very special person who should be kept away from sharp objects…
Ed Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 8:39 am
I am using Windows 7 Beta right now, and I must say that I have been most impressed by the actual quality of the beta right now. It seems fairly stable and rightfully expected since it is just a tweaking of the Vista kernel rather than a complete rewrite and overhaul of the code. It is everything that Ballmer said that Windows 7 is going to be: fast, reliable (even in its current Beta state, it feels like a finished product already) and absolutely user friendly. Everything that I want in an operating system is going to be Windows 7. I can tell all of you right now that I am going to buy Windows 7 when it finally comes out, because I am so impressed.
George Paul Says:
January 10th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Infact most of the Linux lovers secretly Use Windows! for easiness that I Know
Edward Says:
January 14th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
So far I am liking Windows 7 – I am amazed at how fast it performs on this 2.2GHZ P4 with only 512 MB’s of RAM. – It works faster than XP and is much better looking as well.

My only issue, for me at least, is a full screen flash video will crash into a blue screen of death.

I’m a linux man myself.. but I must give credit where credit is due… Windows 7 is impressive for a BETA…

They should have released this instead of Vista – heck it’s a BETA and except for the video issue it’s much more stable and fast than the production releases of Vista.. hahahaah
Alex Says:
January 20th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Yes, Mac OS is better than Windows… IF you enjoy being treated like an idiot.

Windows 7 looks to have all the simplicity, beauty and usability of a Mac, but without target audience IQ of a raspberry, thank goodness.
Robinson Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
I’ve been using W7 beta for a week now and I’m very impressed by it. It’s nippy, responsive, boots fast, shuts down quickly, doesn’t annoy me with messages, looks and feels great and apart from having to find out where everything is (I’ve been using XP since it was released) I’ve had no problems, issues, breakdowns or annoyances at all (except one, which I think they may fix – Start + E doesn’t open a new explorer window if an instance is already available). When I couple this OS with exciting new developer technologies (.NET, WPF, etc.), it’s going to be an absolute dream to work with.

Microsoft haven’t had a penny of my money for nearly ten years (for any product – not even an OEM payment, because I usually build my own PC’s). If they price 7 right, I’ll gladly hand over some of my hard earned cash for a copy.
Duarte Santos Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 2:41 am
I bought my laptop when some weeks before vista market launch so I my computer came with Windows XP SP2 and with the upgrade vista option.

So I decided to order my Vista cds but never did actually installed because XP after SP3 was so good and stable (and initial experience with Vista at work computer so bad) that I decided not even to give it a try, until last week, because had to format the computer due to a root-kit problem and said “what a heck.. let’s instal vista”..
Huge mistake.. Vista made my computer annoying slow, everything was just so full of trash, I tried to fight it removing all useless processes and stuff but there was no way to make it work right.

So my patient reached it’s limit after a week.. but before returning to XP SP3 decided to give a try to windows 7. And wow! My computer was fast again!

A really smooth experience so far. No driver problems, no software incompatibility, no huge chunks of RAM and processor eaten up, just plain good OS.
As system requirements uses resources almost as light as XP, (not a hungry dog like vista) but looking way better and with some great features! I loved some of it’s new features, it’s all really intuitive. The way you can manage windows and explore your files. It’s definitely a solid OS. Seems Microsoft learned from it’s sins with vista and it’s about to deliver an worthy Xp heir.
Another Mike Says:
February 10th, 2009 at 11:04 am
@Ken Coe: amen about under the hood. I haven’t had the pleasure of Windows 7, but when I say to someone “Windows Vista is years behind OSX/Ubuntu,” I’m not talking about the UI. Does Windows 7 user a new filesystem (the purported WinFS)? New indexing service? New security scheme? Vista was sorely lacking in these areas, especially compared to OSX or Ubuntu.

I’d like to see these questions answered before we start calling Windows 7 a “new” OS. Ripping off KDE’s taskbar and GNOME’s file manager is not something I get excited about. Otherwise its still NT 6.1 to me.
Patrick Says:
February 13th, 2009 at 6:30 am
Hey I really don’t understand why everyone is still complaining about Vista, I mean its like any OS, when its new, there are gonna be some unresolved issues, just like there are with all computer programs, but as of Service Pack 1, nearly all the issues that dogged vista’s reputation at the start were resolved! Windows 7 is just going to turn out like a service pack for Vista that changes the UI and adds a few new features but thats all.
QA Says:
February 17th, 2009 at 5:00 am
I like the way the article starts off saying “even Microsoft itself may be afflicted”…

Generally when you produce a totally suck product, your company feels consequences of it! But, but, but… Micro$oft is a monopoly! It’s unfathomable that they could actually reap consequences from their actions! *grin*

I’m not sure how I feel about Windows 7. I mean, it’s great that they acknowledged that they f****d up and are trying to remedy that… or is it? Personally, I would rather see M$ die in a steaming heap of FAIL and watch Apple become the new standard. So I feel like Windows 7 is sort of a “we’re sorry! don’t leave us!” follow-up for Vista. And it’s only going to renew the legacy of mediocrity that M$ has traditionally enforced.

Think of it this way: Micro$oft is a company that only starts to give a crap about the user when profits start to fall.
Apple on the other hand, prides itself on delivering a consistently solid productivity-oriented OS that goes above and beyond your expectations. I’m not saying Apple is perfect. I’m just saying that when you see M$ copying Apple time and time again (poorly), it becomes obvious who is the real innovator.
JonathanPDX Says:
March 2nd, 2009 at 7:52 am
I didn’t like Vista at first, and there are still some aspects that are annoying, but once all the hardware compatibility problems were ironed out, it’s been running quite well.

Personally, I don’t care if it’s a rip off of Apple or Ubuntu or Shakespeare so long as it works…but if I remember my history, Apple’s O/S was a rip off to begin with, so I guess it’s come full circle.

With Windows 7 (and finally a naming scheme that makes sense) perhaps we’ll see a more stable, user-FRIENDLY O/S that is not only safer to use for beginners, but more tweakable by experienced users who don’t need to be baby-sat through their every action.
Samuel Says:
March 31st, 2009 at 4:26 pm
No option to enable the Classic Start menu is a big issue for me. Otherwise looks good.
Yang Yingo Says:
April 1st, 2009 at 7:23 am
You guys kill me. This is an april fools article.
E. Faber Says:
April 1st, 2009 at 5:18 pm
No, I MUST disagree – Windows-7 SUCKS a BIG ONE!!!!!

You computer geeks need to run REAL programs, run by REAL people/users!

I have had NOTHING but crashed since intalling Win-7 on my system! I run a 3.1GB CPU with 512MB of video, and 4-GB of RAM. XP runs this fine. Win-7 runs slower and with MORE errors and frustrations!

Before MS puts out a beta, they should at least include drivers that are compatible with the programs that are out there on the street already. Come on now, they are available.

Crap. That’s all I have to say.

Developers need to get out of their cubbies and into the real world of computing…there’s a REAL WORLD out there people!!!!

Pissed-off Win-7 Beta Tester
Ron Says:
April 5th, 2009 at 11:46 am
You say that it has little in common with MacOSX, but unfortunately I see the majority of the new features lifted, or inspired, directly from MacOS Leopard.

And, I am not saying this just to be a Windows basher… I use both Windows and Mac extensively, and make my living off of supporting Windows. (That’s not to say I don’t prefer MacOS – which I do, just that I am intimately familiar with both OS’s).

It just bothers me when large corporate giants have to copy other competitors just to stay in the game.
malc Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 5:50 am
uhm… i have vista. and ok the UAC still pisses me off. and the forced things. it will be bad though… because honestly i LOVE the name “vista” it`s kind of “seeing” and now they blocked a lot…

i know it`s stupid to waste time about it`s name but windows 7? not really a good one.. but i hope it could do what vista was supposed to do….
Yaro Says:
April 24th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
I just find it amusing that there are some comments of pro-Windows guys who are utterly clueless. Like “Windows is years ahead of Linux.” That one made me laugh. Both under the hood and in the interface, Linux is at LEAST five years ahead of Windows. Windows doesn’t even have any built-in virtual desktop management, for Christ’s sake. And no decent CLI. Just a DOS-inspired command prompt. Don’t feed me PowerShell, it depends on .NET which is fail for a CLI, which should NEVER have idiot high-level dependencies.

Linux has leapt onto platforms years before Windows has: Itanium? Linux was there before anyone else. Netbooks? Same thing.

The vast majority of the Internet is run on the “obsolete” Linux. Linux has some features Windows is DECADES behind on: Unified file system structure, decent file permissions, a true multi-user system. None of those things are present in Windows.

Heck, I think Windows took a mega-step BACKWARDS by implementing the registry, and practically eschewing the command line completely. A lot of the Windows fanboys don’t realize the sort of power Windows lost by become less CLI-based. I mean IMMENSE power. The sort of automation that is normal in Linux but you will never EVER be able to do in Windows.

Linux actually has USB 3.0 support now, unlike Windows!

If Linux is so “behind” why are companies like IBM phasing out things like AIX for it, huh?

Mac OS X is better than Windows, but I think because they designed it to be an idiot OS, it pales to Linux or even it’s mother-system: BSD.
Reason with me... Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
C’mon guys! Let’s stop playing the blame game on Vista or Microsoft overall!
Really, I felt the same way when the “NEW” XP OS Came out after Windos ME, I tough, it looks too complicated, to bubbly and all I really want is stability, so I never ended up installing XP. Year 2004 came and I got a new computer with Windows Professional and after that day…I did not sleep. Usless comments about Vista will get you nowhere if you take on negative views, I was one of the first ones to try vista and trust me, my pc went CHINESE CHARACTERS when I installed it. So, I was tripped out by it’s interface and so was my computer and its devices. Now, I own Vista Ultimate on my custom made pc and it is as smooth as glass, I use it for video editing, photographic touch ups and audio recording and its all about upgrading! UPGRADE people but unless you still love IDE 20 GB hardrives! Plus I just recently bough a mac laptop and really, both mac and pc are flawless if you only focus on reading e-mails, some youtube, and doing work on your Computers, if you guys do random stuff with yall’s desktops or pcs or mac’s then heck, you will end up going back to XP! So take it from some one who used 98, ME, XP, Some Longhorn beta tester, Vienna beta Tester, and Vista beta tester, Mac 10 and finaly, Vista Ultimate.
Anonymous Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
“C’mon guys! Let’s stop playing the blame game on Vista or Microsoft overall!
Really, I felt the same way when the “NEW” XP OS Came out after Windos ME, I tough, it looks too complicated, to bubbly and all I really want is stability, so I never ended up installing XP. Year 2004 came and I got a new computer with Windows Professional and after that day…I did not sleep. Usless comments about Vista will get you nowhere if you take on negative views, I was one of the first ones to try vista and trust me, my pc went CHINESE CHARACTERS when I installed it. So, I was tripped out by it’s interface and so was my computer and its devices. Now, I own Vista Ultimate on my custom made pc and it is as smooth as glass, I use it for video editing, photographic touch ups and audio recording and its all about upgrading! UPGRADE people but unless you still love IDE 20 GB hardrives! Plus I just recently bough a mac laptop and really, both mac and pc are flawless if you only focus on reading e-mails, some youtube, and doing work on your Computers, if you guys do random stuff
with yall’s desktops or pcs or mac’s then heck, you will end up going back to XP! So take it from some one who used 98, ME, XP, Some Longhorn beta tester, Vienna beta Tester, and Vista beta tester, Mac 10 and finaly, Vista Ultimate.”

Oh yes. The key word here is UPGRADE. To do all that stuff with Windows: UPGRADE.

I use Linux. A new version of my distribution comes out and I never have to spend a dime on it. I can do everything Vista “Ultimate” can do and more with the average Linux distribution… and without spending on a monopolistic operating system or “upgrades.”

Case in point: For most machines to run the visual effects of Vista with any measure of decency you need what? 1-2 GiB? And that’s for a measly 5-6 effect compositor.

Look at Linux with Compiz Fusion: It can run, and I mean COMFORTABLY in 512 MiB RAM or less and provides a hell of a lot more than Aero.

Sorry, but I don’t find “upgrades” to be much of a defense for an OS when other OSes can keep up and even outdo it with a fraction of the hardware.

Vista Ultimate? Try Arch.
Anonymous Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
This is me again, I also note you never once mention having tried Linux. Mac OS X sounds like a great OS, but when it comes down to actually demonstrating real power it falls quite short. When Linux is called to this task, however, it performs above and beyond any other operating system I’ve seen, and I’ve used a lot more operating systems then you have. CP/M or Solaris ring any bells for you?

Trust me, with Linux, I can do more with less hardware requirements for much much cheaper with Linux than Windows will accomplish within the next decade.
alvoryx Says:
May 6th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
there is one thing that people forget when saying vista is crap compared to xp :

the process management..

once vista is loaded for a few minutes, it run’s globaly MUCH faster than xp.. (saying you’ve at least 2gb ram..(since it’s about 30€/28$, unless your living under a bridge (which i doubt since for reading this you got a pc), you should be able to afford it))).

the main problem is that (in my opignion) people talk to much..for nothing 😉

person1 said one day “ow vista what a shit”..person2 hears it and finds it cool..having a drink a few hours later, person2 begin to flame vista with person3, 4 and 5.. and so on

OK, i agree with the fact that there is no reason to upgrade from xp to vista, since the improvements of bill’s last one don’t justify to pay the price, but for gods sake, PLEASE stop opening your mouth (or using your keyboard for nothing, it’s like u prefer) and talk for nothing..

Besides, to all those linux geeks/freaks, If i was bill gates, i would go to such “linux meeting” and offering a few millions $ to some people to come work by microsoft..after that they all said YES MISTER GATES, i would put that freaking video on youtube. so, ONE TIME FOR ALL, the rest of them would have “the grass cut under their feets” and shut up.

Amen me..
billygoat Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 5:22 pm
personally i like vista my friend says that windows 7 is bs he tried the demo version it sucked. on my vista i have encountered hardly any problems. why are people moanning about how bad vista is. if its so bad dont useit!
M T Hadi Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Just tried the new os – windows 7 – its not that bad, not bad at all – it feels sleeker and leaner than vista – everything that vista should have been – i even managed to install and run a few homebrew software titles with no problems…

Look forward to the full release – not gonna buy it though, just have to wait for the sp2 first…
Andy Says:
August 29th, 2009 at 3:38 am
Jesus wept, MAC, Unix, Linux and every other OS out there shut the hell up will you there is a reason that Microsoft have the predominante operating system in the world and no one and i mean no one even comes close to their market dominance and thats becasue their business plan and hence thier products appeal to the majority of users on this planet its not because or prepackaginf or other nonsense its becasue of the markets perception and ease of use no matter what you say

Economics do not lie Microsoft kicks every other software companies ass every day of every week and untill other companies do the same thing they will continue to do so

Whats best as an OS is irellevant

An Mac users Microsoft owns a satke of apple and apple own a similar stake in Microsoft

This is about business and not software the sooner you realise that the sooner you can get on with using whatever OS you like best and stop whingeing

by the way from my standpoint
XP is ok
Vista Sucks
Mac sucks
Linux Sucks
and Windows 7 well like XP its ok we will have to see how it goes

but Microsoft are more than windows and continue to kick ass in this market and will continue to do so untill someone beats them at their own game

Xbox 720???? people say who would buy it?? it will outsell every console on the market becasue despite its faults the 360 is still the king of consoles the same as windows is the king of OS
Yaro Says:
August 29th, 2009 at 10:30 am
This is probably a troll, but I’ll bite.

Let me start off right off the bat by saying that quantity is by no means an indicator of quality. Quantity only indicates either popularity or dominance. Guess which category Microsoft Windows falls under.

“Jesus wept, MAC, Unix, Linux and every other OS out there shut the hell up will you there is a reason that Microsoft have the predominante operating system in the world and no one and i mean no one even comes close to their market dominance and thats becasue their business plan and hence thier products appeal to the majority of users on this planet its not because or prepackaginf or other nonsense its becasue of the markets perception and ease of use no matter what you say”

The reason Windows became dominant had nothing to do with quality or how much people liked it. It is because of unethical and frequently illegal practices on the part of Microsoft. Be OS, DR-DOS, AmigaOS, and OS/2(Have you even HEARD of these other operating systems? They all started to threaten Microsoft’s illegitimate dominance of the desktop until Microsoft threatened OEMs that considered supporting them.) are examples of operating systems Microsoft buried through strong-arm tactics. Their “business plan” as you put it is based on anti-competitive behavior.

“Economics do not lie Microsoft kicks every other software companies ass every day of every week and untill other companies do the same thing they will continue to do so ”

Microsoft is not “kicking all the other companies” ass. I can name so many other companies that are actually kicking Microsoft’s ass in other markets. In the game console industry right now, Nintendo is thrashing both Microsoft and Sony. In the prior generation, Sony was thrashing Microsoft and Nintendo. Microsoft never became #1 in that market and is still losing money on every console sold. Some “ass kicking” there. On the server market, Linux is king, predated by BSD. Microsoft never had a significant market share that competed with them. On embedded markets and supercomputer markets, Microsoft is almost nonexistent, with Linux dominating. Mobile market is still largely Palm territory, with Android (Holy snot, a Linux!) starting to gain popularity. Windows Mobile is languishing. Or even in your beloved desktop market. Despite still enjoying a dominance, Windows has dropped below 90% market share for the first time since it established said dominance, with Linux adoption rates growing exponentially on the desktop every year since 2003. Give it another decade or so and Windows will no longer be “kicking ass” on the desktop, by Microsoft’s own admission (Their goals for Midori are to replace Windows once that happens, however signs point to Linux taking over, especially with Google about to push Linux hard.).

By the way, quantity does not equate to quality. And the point the anti-Windows people are making have nothing to do with its popularity. Popularity doesn’t make Windows secure, stable, less bloated, or faster. It’s design, something Microsoft has been behind on from the very beginning.

“Whats best as an OS is irellevant”

It is quite relevant. And the IT industry has never believed otherwise. There’s a reason Linux and not Windows is chosen for bona fide mission-critical application, including web servers.

“An Mac users Microsoft owns a satke of apple and apple own a similar stake in Microsoft”

Microsoft has a 10% share of Apple. Apple, last I checked, has no stake in Microsoft. And this is irrelevant to Windows success or quality. I personally think OS X could be much better, but they’re at least up to date with OS design.

“This is about business and not software the sooner you realise that the sooner you can get on with using whatever OS you like best and stop whingeing”

Learn to spell. Sure, it is about business. But Microsoft is not acting like a business, it is acting like a dominion. Businesses actually compete. Dominions dominate.

“by the way from my standpoint
XP is ok
Vista Sucks
Mac sucks
Linux Sucks
and Windows 7 well like XP its ok we will have to see how it goes”

Are you going to give me any relevant information on why Mac or Linux suck? Or are you just going to spout more nonsense about how “popular” Windows is, giving no indication whatsoever to its quality.

“but Microsoft are more than windows and continue to kick ass in this market and will continue to do so untill someone beats them at their own game”

Linux is beginning to, and as I said before, migration FROM Windows is increasing, and Linux adoption has increased exponentially on the desktop year after year since 2003. Microsoft themselves have admitted that Windows will, by the end of the next decade, lose their desktop market dominance and that was the reason they were developing Midori.

“Xbox 720???? people say who would buy it?? it will outsell every console on the market becasue despite its faults the 360 is still the king of consoles the same as windows is the king of OS”

Windows is not king of the OS if it only has dominance of ONE market, grand total, a market it is losing market share on since 2005. And the success (Or lack thereof) of the XBox “720” is irrelevant to Windows 7’s quality or popularity.

Okay, let me put a question to you. Since I can do everything in Windows 7 and more with Linux… and BETTER… give me a reason why I would want to migrate to Win7 if Linux is already giving me everything I want and need with none of the gaping issues of Win7? Can you give another reason besides a badly spelled, grammar deficient fanboy-betraying rant about popularity of Windows or products Microsoft has made that are irrelevant to Windows or the quality (Or lack thereof) of Windows?

Face it, Windows is badly designed, slow, very bloated, insecure, and not-even-remotely standards compliant. And quality is relevant. And people are beginning to notice when they try the alternatives to Windows and migrate away.

And I’ve pointed this out and people have begun to agree, the ONLY reason you’d need or want Windows is gaming, which is a small part of computing and far from a deciding factor of an operating system’s quality or success. Both Linux and Windows are used these days purely for things as web browsing, Facebook, e-mail, and the like, not gaming.
mario Says:
August 31st, 2009 at 7:39 am
Halo was made by Bungie not Microsoft.
Yaro Says:
August 31st, 2009 at 9:13 am
“Halo was made by Bungie not Microsoft.”

At the time the Halo trilogy was made, Bungie was bought out, lock, stock, and barrel, by Microsoft. Thus the employees of Bungie were pretty much employees of Microsoft.

It took the commercial flop of Halo 3 for Microsoft to split Bungie back off as an independent company.

If I recall correctly Bungie DID begin work on Halo maybe a year or so before MS bought them out.
man and van Says:
September 19th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
i have installed windows for testing and i liked is a lot faster and more responsive so i think i will buy it when it comes out
Joe Novais Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Windows XP? —Nop! I used it but I didn´t like the apps! I came to the conclusion that most of the windows applications are garbage! … lots of viruses and not much help!
Windows Vista? —Please! No!
Windows 7? —Well? May be!…
Wait a minute!… Why should I move to windows if I am so well with Mac! Give me one valid reason but, —who said that we do not have enough applications?— don´t make me laugh!
Ze Novas Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 7:34 am
Windows XP?- Nhe!!! apps are more than 80% garbage!
Windows Vista?! —It doesn´t work! Still lots of viruses and no help!
Windows 7? — May be!
—may what?
—Hey! forget it! —I don´t believe that Microsoft came out with something capable of doing what Leopard does.
men, we have no viruses and, besides doing what mac does it does all good things the other systems do!
who cares about windows?!!!…
Rick Cain Says:
October 21st, 2009 at 2:25 pm
I HATE the new interface. Microsoft has committed the grievous sin of changing how you do things on the desktop instead of adding on to already good ideas.

Ever wonder why a Mac is so easy to use, because after all these years, the basic interface is the same!

Microsoft completely changed the start menu and it is disconcerting at best, difficult to use at worst, and the overly pretty gadgets, flowers, hummingbirds, creepy desktops and bling make it just plain distracting. Do corporate users really want to see a hummingbird on their desktop everytime they shut down their PC?

Aero sucks, it always has sucked. Its not pretty, and its a hideous waste of screen real estate that even in the 1920 x 1200 age, is something that should never be wasted with overly thick window edges and close gadgets that look like they were borrowed from Fisher-Price toys.

Windows 7 is slow. On a quad core intel with 8 gigabytes there is no excuse for it to be slow. There are 10-15 second delays between clicking on something and something actually happening. Thumbnailing is slow even with my Nvidia card that puts out more heat than a foot warmer. The entire GUI feels like it was written in Visual Basic, its that slow.

Gaming: So far only some of my games even work, and anything with copy protection is broken and unusable under Windows 7.

If this is Microsoft’s future of computing, be prepared to pay for a dual processor 8 core system with 32 gigabytes and RAID 10 to compensate for the slowness of the OS.
Filipe Says:
October 27th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
How is this posted tuesday october 28th at 9am??? it’s like 2am? lol am i in the past or something?
billy Says:
November 10th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
I hope 7 is good. I know its already out, but, I have no monies.

I like Macs as well. Except for one or two bugs in Adobe Illustrator, and the fact that some of my software (3ds Max) is not made for Mac, therefore I am locked into being a windows user until those 2 things are met.

Anyway, sorry for the ramble, I used to do Data Entry for Apple, and they PAID for the computers we were working on, and they were Windows. Thought I would share that tidbit with everyone. It tells me this. If you don’t need all the power and overprice of Macs, than a PC is good enough, even Apple agrees.
Anonymous Says:
November 10th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
“If you don’t need all the power and overprice of Macs, than a PC is good enough, even Apple agrees.”

I regret to inform you that compared to PCs, Macs are actually less powerful. Don’t buy the Apple hype.

Of course, you’r enot going to get the most out of a PC’s power with an OS like Windows. Linux and BSD bring about the fullest potential of your hardware much better.
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Palm’s Pre Gambit and the Joy of Starting Over | Technologizer Says:
January 12th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
[…] year, but the signs that Windows’ two decades of dominance are eroding are everywhere. I kind of like Windows 7, but but it’s an OS that’s mostly about overdue fixes to festering […]
WINDOWS 7 « Calleda03’s Weblog Says:
February 11th, 2009 at 11:26 am
[…] Windows 7 adalah versi Windows pertama yang mendukung multi-touch yang memungkinkan Anda mengendalikan OS ini dengan kedua tangan. Masih banyak yang ragu apakah multi-touch akan merevolusi dunia PC sebagaimana ia merevolusi dunia ponsel. Saat ini hampir tidak ada PC yang beredar di pasar yang mendukung fitur layar sentuh selain TouchSmart dari HP dan Latitude XT dari Dell. (via Technologizer) […]
Download Windows 7 beta (32 & 64) bit « 60nline’s Blog Says:
February 16th, 2009 at 11:58 am
[…] Windows 7 adalah versi Windows pertama yang mendukung multi-touch yang memungkinkan Anda mengendalikan OS ini dengan kedua tangan. Masih banyak yang ragu apakah multi-touch akan merevolusi dunia PC sebagaimana ia merevolusi dunia ponsel. Saat ini hampir tidak ada PC yang beredar di pasar yang mendukung fitur layar sentuh selain TouchSmart dari HP dan Latitude XT dari Dell. (via Technologizer) […]
Anray13’s Blog Says:
February 17th, 2009 at 1:48 am
[…] Windows 7 adalah versi Windows pertama yang mendukung multi-touch yang memungkinkan Anda mengendalikan OS ini dengan kedua tangan. Masih banyak yang ragu apakah multi-touch akan merevolusi dunia PC sebagaimana ia merevolusi dunia ponsel. Saat ini hampir tidak ada PC yang beredar di pasar yang mendukung fitur layar sentuh selain TouchSmart dari HP dan Latitude XT dari Dell. (via Technologizer) […]
Windows 7 details galore: interface tweaks, netbook builds, Media Center enhancements - Engadget | Virtually Jamaica Says:
February 17th, 2009 at 8:03 am
[…] – Keynote videos on the PDC site Read – Technologizer Windows 7 hands-on Read – Ars Technica Windows 7 interface walkthrough Read – […]
Windows 7 Beta « Heru Nugroho Says:
February 26th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
[…] Windows 7 adalah versi Windows pertama yang mendukung multi-touch yang memungkinkan Anda mengendalikan OS ini dengan kedua tangan. Masih banyak yang ragu apakah multi-touch akan merevolusi dunia PC sebagaimana ia merevolusi dunia ponsel. Saat ini hampir tidak ada PC yang beredar di pasar yang mendukung fitur layar sentuh selain TouchSmart dari HP dan Latitude XT dari Dell. (via Technologizer) […]
20 Fitur Baru Windows 7 « Dewsnet’s Blog Says:
April 19th, 2009 at 12:19 am
[…] Windows 7 adalah versi Windows pertama yang mendukung multi-touch yang memungkinkan Anda mengendalikan OS ini dengan kedua tangan. Masih banyak yang ragu apakah multi-touch akan merevolusi dunia PC sebagaimana ia merevolusi dunia ponsel. Saat ini hampir tidak ada PC yang beredar di pasar yang mendukung fitur layar sentuh selain TouchSmart dari HP dan Latitude XT dari Dell. (via Technologizer) […]
20 Fitur Baru Windows 7 « Ryntama’s Blog Says:
April 24th, 2009 at 6:12 am
[…] Windows 7 adalah versi Windows pertama yang mendukung multi-touch yang memungkinkan Anda mengendalikan OS ini dengan kedua tangan. Masih banyak yang ragu apakah multi-touch akan merevolusi dunia PC sebagaimana ia merevolusi dunia ponsel. Saat ini hampir tidak ada PC yang beredar di pasar yang mendukung fitur layar sentuh selain TouchSmart dari HP dan Latitude XT dari Dell. (via Technologizer) […]
Windows 7 Release Candidate: The Technologizer FAQ | Technologizer Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 2:56 am
[…] been using Windows 7 in various prerelease incarnations since last October, and for the more part, I’ve liked what I’ve seen. (So did most of the Technologizer […]
kelebihan dan beberapa fitur baru Windows 7 « LugazZZ Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 2:15 am
[…] Windows 7 adalah versi Windows pertama yang mendukung multi-touch yang memungkinkan Anda mengendalikan OS ini dengan kedua tangan. Masih banyak yang ragu apakah multi-touch akan merevolusi dunia PC sebagaimana ia merevolusi dunia ponsel. Saat ini hampir tidak ada PC yang beredar di pasar yang mendukung fitur layar sentuh selain TouchSmart dari HP dan Latitude XT dari Dell. (via Technologizer) […]
WINDOWS 7 « Hrcom Production Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 1:45 am
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Live Wave 3 Icons - Nice — Shooting at Bubbles Says:
June 4th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
[…] Windows 7 First Impressions: Hey, This Looks Pretty Good! […]
Windows 7 Pricing Out, and It’s a Vista Re-Run | Design Website Says:
June 25th, 2009 at 9:47 am
[…] Windows 7 has garnered a lot of good press for its many improvements, it’s hard to see today’s news in a positive light. Meanwhile […]
Windows 7 « Weblog IKHSAN Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 6:54 am
[…] Windows 7 adalah versi Windows pertama yang mendukung multi-touch yang memungkinkan Anda mengendalikan OS ini dengan kedua tangan. Masih banyak yang ragu apakah multi-touch akan merevolusi dunia PC sebagaimana ia merevolusi dunia ponsel. Saat ini hampir tidak ada PC yang beredar di pasar yang mendukung fitur layar sentuh selain TouchSmart dari HP dan Latitude XT dari Dell. (via Technologizer) […]
Fitur Baru Windows 7 « My Life My Education Says:
September 4th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
[…] pasar yang mendukung fitur layar sentuh selain TouchSmart dari HP dan Latitude XT dari Dell. (via Technologizer) Banyak yang sudah tidak sabar menunggu keluarnya Windows 7 (W7), penerus Windows Vista. Tidak […]
20 Fitur Baru Windows 7 « campur's Blog Says:
September 30th, 2009 at 12:32 am
[…] Windows 7 adalah versi Windows pertama yang mendukung multi-touch yang memungkinkan Anda mengendalikan OS ini dengan kedua tangan. Masih banyak yang ragu apakah multi-touch akan merevolusi dunia PC sebagaimana ia merevolusi dunia ponsel. Saat ini hampir tidak ada PC yang beredar di pasar yang mendukung fitur layar sentuh selain TouchSmart dari HP dan Latitude XT dari Dell. (via Technologizer) […]
WIndows 7 « Operation System Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 1:21 am
[…] Windows 7 adalah versi Windows pertama yang mendukung multi-touch yang memungkinkan Anda mengendalikan OS ini dengan kedua tangan. Masih banyak yang ragu apakah multi-touch akan merevolusi dunia PC sebagaimana ia merevolusi dunia ponsel. Saat ini hampir tidak ada PC yang beredar di pasar yang mendukung fitur layar sentuh selain TouchSmart dari HP dan Latitude XT dari Dell. (via Technologizer) […]
Fitur Baru Dari Windows 7 « Sandi Hikmawan Info Says:
December 23rd, 2009 at 12:22 am
[…] Windows 7 adalah versi Windows pertama yang mendukung multi-touch yang memungkinkan Anda mengendalikan OS ini dengan kedua tangan. Masih banyak yang ragu apakah multi-touch akan merevolusi dunia PC sebagaimana ia merevolusi dunia ponsel. Saat ini hampir tidak ada PC yang beredar di pasar yang mendukung fitur layar sentuh selain TouchSmart dari HP dan Latitude XT dari Dell. (via Technologizer) […]
Fitur Baru Windows 7 « ibondnaz has Begun Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 7:30 am
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windows 7 « Miea's Gallery Says:
December 30th, 2009 at 2:26 am
[…] Windows 7 adalah versi Windows pertama yang mendukung multi-touch yang memungkinkan Anda mengendalikan OS ini dengan kedua tangan. Masih banyak yang ragu apakah multi-touch akan merevolusi dunia PC sebagaimana ia merevolusi dunia ponsel. Saat ini hampir tidak ada PC yang beredar di pasar yang mendukung fitur layar sentuh selain TouchSmart dari HP dan Latitude XT dari Dell. (viaTechnologizer) […]
20 Fitur Baru Windows 7 « Yugo3's Blog Says:
December 30th, 2009 at 4:57 am
[…] Windows 7 adalah versi Windows pertama yang mendukung multi-touch yang memungkinkan Anda mengendalikan OS ini dengan kedua tangan. Masih banyak yang ragu apakah multi-touch akan merevolusi dunia PC sebagaimana ia merevolusi dunia ponsel. Saat ini hampir tidak ada PC yang beredar di pasar yang mendukung fitur layar sentuh selain TouchSmart dari HP dan Latitude XT dari Dell. (via Technologizer) […]
20 Fitur Baru Windows 7 : komputer-tech Says:
August 24th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
[…] pasar yang mendukung fitur layar sentuh selain TouchSmart dari HP dan Latitude XT dari Dell. (via Technologizer) Categories: […]
How to Make Windows 7 a Hit: Make It Free | Skicat56's Blog Says:
September 15th, 2010 at 8:26 pm
[…] at Gizmodo, Matt Buchanan has a come up with a cool strategy for ensuring that Windows 7 gets an enthusiastic reception when it ships: give it away. Well, sort of. He’s really only […]

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